TWINKLE_TOES
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No problem. Hope Vic didn't high tail it forever, he had a darn good question.
Work Shop 220v Receptacle?
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dos_perros
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I'm still here and still learning. Appreciate the information and enjoy the enthusiasm. "... making decisions about life and death situations, etc..." Great! Don't fret. We all learn how to sift the sand.
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A parting thought to ponder.If you or a loved one were seriously ill would you want the best doctor you could get or one who only met the minimal requirements?
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What size wire would I need for a 20amp welder circuit? I need to make an long extension cord for a 175amp MIG, I would probably bump it up a gauge because it has to be particularly long (100-150 feet). The welder has a 30% duty cycle when its maxed out. I'm hoping I can get away with a 12 gauge cord.
johnbilt
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A #12 wire will handle the current safely for a 20A circuit, but the voltage drop will not work well with your welder. I would suggest a #10 wire as a minimum for an extension up to 25 feet. I would tend to bump another gauge to #8 or #6 for an extension of the length you are suggesting.
Are you sure 20A is enough for a 175A welder ?? My little century 110V / 130A Mig is spec'ed at 25 A for full performance.
Good Luck
Johnbilt
A #12 wire will handle the current safely for a 20A circuit, but the voltage drop will not work well with your welder. I would suggest a #10 wire as a minimum for an extension up to 25 feet. I would tend to bump another gauge to #8 or #6 for an extension of the length you are suggesting.
Are you sure 20A is enough for a 175A welder ?? My little century 110V / 130A Mig is spec'ed at 25 A for full performance.
Good Luck
Johnbilt
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CTyler, sorry for the late response but I'm a liitle unclrear on <font color="blue"> was one of a trolling nature </font> . I really don't think I have established a reputation on this board as a troll.
Please insert apology here " sorry Al I screwed up--------" If Junkman can handle it I'm sure you can also.
Please insert apology here " sorry Al I screwed up--------" If Junkman can handle it I'm sure you can also.
CTyler
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I was only refering to that particular post not your posts in general. The post in question looks like a troll post.
fractal
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Thank all for them useful information. It reinforces what I have been slowly concluding. There is no such thing as a useful "universal" 220v receptable.)</font>
I came to the same conclusion when I tried to plan out my next shop. I also discovered that you can not buy panels at home depot or orchard supply hardware that will allow you to "do it right". My lord, a 60 amp sub has room for two 220 circuits. That's right, two. Sure, I can run my shop of a 60 amp circuit from my main panel but there is no way on earth I can get the required number of circuit breakers into that panel. You end up looking at a 200 amp panel which is only available as a main service entrance panel at the box stores in order to get sufficient number of circuit breaker locations to run even a small shop with dedicated 220 circuits run for every tool.
Ack, enough of the rant. Yeah, there is no easy solution. You either do it right which means purchasing commercial grade equipment at a painful price point or you figure out how "out of code" you are willing to operate. Sux /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I came to the same conclusion when I tried to plan out my next shop. I also discovered that you can not buy panels at home depot or orchard supply hardware that will allow you to "do it right". My lord, a 60 amp sub has room for two 220 circuits. That's right, two. Sure, I can run my shop of a 60 amp circuit from my main panel but there is no way on earth I can get the required number of circuit breakers into that panel. You end up looking at a 200 amp panel which is only available as a main service entrance panel at the box stores in order to get sufficient number of circuit breaker locations to run even a small shop with dedicated 220 circuits run for every tool.
Ack, enough of the rant. Yeah, there is no easy solution. You either do it right which means purchasing commercial grade equipment at a painful price point or you figure out how "out of code" you are willing to operate. Sux /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
uhmgawa
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( First, my shop isnt wired to code. That may or may not be important to you. Code says only one 220v recepticle/circuit. I have several daisy chained/circuit... )</font>
Interesting. Unless this is a recent addition, I don't see this
limitation in the NEC. "Article 210-4 Multiwire branch circuits"
in my (admittedly dated) NEC allows for mixing 120V and 240V
on the same multiwire branch circuit with the qualification that all
ungrounded conductors are opened simultaneously by the branch
overcurrent device.
Article 210-6 calls for a limitation of 120V nominal in branch
circuits in "dwelling units" which dosen't apply to a shop/work
area.
Interesting. Unless this is a recent addition, I don't see this
limitation in the NEC. "Article 210-4 Multiwire branch circuits"
in my (admittedly dated) NEC allows for mixing 120V and 240V
on the same multiwire branch circuit with the qualification that all
ungrounded conductors are opened simultaneously by the branch
overcurrent device.
Article 210-6 calls for a limitation of 120V nominal in branch
circuits in "dwelling units" which dosen't apply to a shop/work
area.
