Working on tractor with loader up...do you?

[N80]

With that kind of luck you should never work under a raised loader!

 

[Soundguy]

I guess it's easier that when you are alarmed by the hissing sound of oil, lean back and miss the loader arms that are going to take 5 seconds to drop before they reach the ground,

You are assuming that the hYD failure is a leak.. and not a catastrophic failure.. like a fitting that was cracked giving way and letting the cyl drop immediatly. leak or no leak.. it's stupid to work under a bucket with no safety support.

It has nothing to do about living in gfear.. it has to do with living with dilligence. Unfortunately.. it seems there are more bold/stupid people around than diligent ones.. and in most circles, 'stupid' passes for fearless...

Soundguy

 

[Renze]

Soundguy, I find it amusing how some people are eager to call another an idiot because they dont share your point of view...

Bushmen from Africa are scared the heck by any storm or high water, because they know they life below the sea level in the western netherlands. On the other hand, Dutch city slickers sleep sweet at 5,5 meter below sea level, while they cant close an eye in an African nomad hut because of the little critters, and a jackal howl in the far distance.

When you grow up with things, you cope easier with the risks involved.

 

[gemini5362]

Renze I believe the problem is people that look to this website for information. There will be some people that have never had a tractor with FEL before and know absolutely nothing about hydraulics. They read your post that says if a leak occurs it will be hissing and you have time to get out of the way. When they read that they assume that it is safe to work that way. The majority of people on here know differently and try to point out how big a risk you are taking when you do that. If you want to work under your FEL and take that risk that is your buisness. I personally would not do it nor would I reccomend anyone else do that. The people that dont know any better are the ones that I personally try to reach when I talk about safety issues. I am sure that even you will agree is that all it takes is one check valve spring to break or even a older o ring to fail and the hydraulics can come down very quickly. It takes very little effort to make something to hold the FEL up or to put it on the ground and try to work around it. Why risk your life even if it is a small risk. As far as living in fear. Why is it that people who take unneccessary risks talk about people who are safe as being afraid to take chances ? I can tell you one thing I take big big chances. I have actually looked at my wife and said no dear you do not look good in that dress. Top that when you want to talk about taking chances.

 

[D7E]

If hydraulics are so uncertain is using a man platform or a cherry picker dangerous ? I used to have a tree care business where we used a telehandler with a work platform attached to it for high work, the boys seemed to prefer that to hanging on a rope with a chainsaw tied to your belt.
Previously i said that i use angle iron when working under loaders but only for something major like an inframe motor rebuild , use common sense when greasing or whatever you can avoid standing directly under the bucket.

 

[gemini5362]

I dont know enough to answer about cherry pickers but I am of the opinion since they are made for people to stand in that the hydraulics are set up differently. I am sure there will be a lot of posters that will be happy to tell you about the hazards of working with a man basket on a fork lift and that is hydraulics

 

[Tom_Veatch]

... I have actually looked at my wife and said no dear you do not look good in that dress. ...

Well now, there's courage ... and then again, there's foolhardiness!

 

[Tom_Veatch]

I'm sure this guy does, but he always blocks it up and chocks the wheels.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72647&stc=1&d=1174494300

 

[Renze]

Renze I believe the problem is people that look to this website for information. There will be some people that have never had a tractor with FEL before and know absolutely nothing about hydraulics.

so...the conclusion is that the majority of people here agrees that i'm an idiot, because what i say might misguide some rookies that never been around FELs before, who follow blindly what they read here ?? Then who are the idiots

lifting chains might break. They are tested annually in a hydraulic test bench that strains them to somewhere about 150% of the nominal permitted work load. If they hold, they are safety approved for professional use for another year.

when i attack the muck heap with my loader, the rear end of my Zetor 5245 comes loose when i back out of the bunk silo because there´s a nasty 1 foot high ridge to keep effluent in and rain water out.
When there is just an empty bucket, the pressure in the cylinder will be somewhere about 10% of the scenario when it is loaded to full lift capacity and you ride over a bump.-
The chance that the hydraulic system will just break, is next to non existant.
IF it does break, there is so little pressure in the cylinder that it takes quite some time before all the oil is pressed out and the loader is down.

Now there might be a chance that it starts going down due to a leaking cylinder o ring. If there was enough leakage to make oil seep past the o ring on an empty loader, the fully loaded loader will drop down so fast that you´d sure noticed. In that scenario i might think it over, but with leakage within normal operating margins, i dont care at all to work under it.
When i hide myself behind a welding helmet, i do check the loader every few minutes just to be sure, but for a 100 hour service, the risk of getting hurt by a dropping loader is a 1000 times smaller than getting hurt by the flower pot that falls off the balcony of the 5th floor....

I can respect your opinion about safety, so i expect you to respect mine as well (unless you´re an idiot off course)

 

[johnk]

Sure hope you don't have any enemies that push forward on the joystick when you're under your raised loader. Accidents do happen and thats why they call them accidents. Taking a few steps to assure your safety aren't foolish by any means. S@@t happens......Anyone can do whatever they want thats what makes the world go around. Some just take a little more care than others to stay safe. Nothing wrong with living on the edge or being safe. Those are choices we have the freedom to make. Are you still there??? Just kidding.....