X570 Cut Quality Issue

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66cuda

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I've been having some issues with the cut quality on my X570 with 48" Deck. I have the mulching kit on and it seems like I'm always getting strips of uncut grass. to me it looks like its coming form the center of the deck but i'm not positive.

I checked to make sure the deck is level and the tire pressure is correct and everything looks good. I've tried overlapping cuts, changing the height of the anti-scalp wheels, changing the cutting height and so far nothing seems to make a difference. I talked to the dealer I got the unit from and he's saying I need to keep experimenting.

Does anyone have any idea's to help me fix the issue?

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I always use high lift blades but primarily because I'm bagging. I do, however, seems to get a nicer cut with the high lift blades.

I've also heard that the leaf blow out kits help with quality of the cut.
 
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I would purchase a John Deere mower deck height tool. Cost eight to ten dollars. Genuine John Deere AM13:eek:7 Mower Deck Leveling Gauge *T1 | eBay.

Check the air in the tires to insure uniform pressure in all tires. Then place the mower on a flat concrete surface and measure the front and rear blade tip heights for all blades. On the two outside blades also measure the side blade height. If the same height is received on all blades, check the mower deck, blade drive belt to see if it slipping. Belt slippage could be the problem if you are mowing high grass with the mulching adapter in place. The center blade would be slowed and not running the same blade tip speed as the two outside blades leaving a streak look. You can check this by mowing one area at your usually speed then mow another area at a reduced speed to see if the uncut appearance is reduced or eliminated.
 
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Consider adjusting the deck pitch. It may be exaggerated. Just mark down where you started.
 
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Make sure you are not cutting at low rpm's. I can create very similar problems with my 2305 if I cut at low rpm's. If the blades don't spin fast enough they cannot lift all the grass into the blades. At least on mine with the mulching kit, at really low rpm's to mid rpm's I can get some pretty interesting (easily repeatable) cutting issues (missed strips or weeds just topped and pushed over...varies by rpm). Once I get the blades up into the high rpm range it provides a fantastic cut. I did switch mine over to better quality high lift mulching blades which provides an even better cut and it almost vaporizes the grass clippings. If running it at full throttle (like the manual says) doesn't fix the issue, you will want to make sure your blades are aligned properly.
 
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If running it at full throttle (like the manual says) doesn't fix the issue, you will want to make sure your blades are aligned properly.

Yep, running at full throttle, i.e. 3600 RPM. Almost guaranteed to wear out the engine in short order. Good for business.

Shortly after the warranty expires, so will the engine.

There is no reason to operate a mower at full throttle, well unless you are cutting hay. With the HP and torque of these new engines, cutting 3" high grass should be a walk in the park. If blade speed is an issue, they should just change the engine to blade ratio.

Let me ask a question, has anyone had an issue with power when cutting grass? I doubt it. You got to remember, the tractor manufactures make money selling new tractors. If you can make a tractor last 20 years, what's in it for the manufacture?

Richard
 
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I had another thought. Around by me, we have crane fly. The grass you can just lift up as it tends to grow along the ground rather than straight up.
 
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Yep, running at full throttle, i.e. 3600 RPM. Almost guaranteed to wear out the engine in short order. Good for business.

Shortly after the warranty expires, so will the engine.

There is no reason to operate a mower at full throttle, well unless you are cutting hay. With the HP and torque of these new engines, cutting 3" high grass should be a walk in the park. If blade speed is an issue, they should just change the engine to blade ratio.

Let me ask a question, has anyone had an issue with power when cutting grass? I doubt it. You got to remember, the tractor manufactures make money selling new tractors. If you can make a tractor last 20 years, what's in it for the manufacture?

Richard


Full throttle would actually be 3350 +/- 100 rpm on the JD X500 series. They limit it but don't forget he is asking on how to fix the cut with his FACTORY setup. I had problems with my cut quality with the FACTORY setup until I ran it at almost full throttle because my mid PTO doesn't spin fast enough with the factory blades to create the lift required to pull all the grass and weeds into the blades. It isn't about power it is about lift with the crappy factory mulching blades. To reduce rpm required on my machine I scrapped the factory blades and switched to a better mulching blade that had a higher lift than the factory blades so I could run at lower rpm without missing strips and only topping weeds. I didn't like running my rpm's up near the 3000 range to get a good cut so now my optimal cutting rpm with the new blades is right around 2700 rpm but this is on my JD2305 and not a lawn tractor.

Now, if we want to turn this into an rpm engine wear discussion so the OP can understand where you are coming from in case the OP doesn't already know, we certainly can. While
I absolutely agree with Richard001 that running at 3600 rpm all the time is not a good idea for your engine that is not actually what I'm telling you to do. Let's talk about the current x500 series engine and then some engine rpm's. The X500 series engine is rated for a high idle of 3600 rpm but JD limits the rpm down to around 3350. It varies because some people have reported much lower. I've seen as low as 3180 rpm and as high as 3420 rpm reported in forums from the factory but the few results I've seen actually posted were mostly below 3350 rpm mark. This is obviously lower than the 3600 rpm high idle rating of the engine (http://www.kawasakienginesusa.com/sites/default/files/manuals/99920-2290-01_fs651v-691v-730v_en_es_1.pdf). In other words, the X500 engine was designed to operate on the high end at 3600 rpm so the "red line" is above those rpm. You aren't "redlining" the engine when when you push it up to full throttle you are actually a good ways away from the "red line" because JD sets the high idle several hundred rpm below the max high idle rpm (not to be confused with red line which is higher than 3600 rpm). The engine is actually designed to be run at speeds up to 3600 rpm on a regular basis but you are limited to rpm's below that number. Will constantly running your engine in the 3350 rpm range shorten its life? It might but by how much or how little totally depends on how well you keep up with maintenance, make sure the oil is good, and limit the cold starts. Yes, the more actual revolutions the engine turns the more wear and tear put on it but how many revolutions does it take to cause enough wear for something to break? Well, that depends on how well the engine is built (materials used, tolerances, clearances, fit of parts,....) so who knows. There are also other things that damage engines but that discussion is better left for the experts.

Now if running things at high rpm's guarantee an early engine death then motorcycle engines and small engines would be in big trouble. Those engines run at much higher rpm than car, tractor, and mower engines. Depending on the engine type the high ilde can range from 7000 rpm up to near 15,000 rpm (Yamaha R6 14,500 rpm). I know, I know, someone is going to chime in with how many of those things last 20 years. Well, I have several items that I'm still using that were bought in the 80's without the engine being rebuilt and so does my dad. Lots of modern engines are designed to run at high rpm's and can still last a long time. Most engine damage actually occurs on cold starts and running up to high rpm's before the oil has heated up. In a well built modern engine, once the oil gets hot and everything gets lubricated, the amount of engine wear drops significantly. Now of course in older tractors/mowers they were typically set to run right up to the max rated rpm for the engine in them so you certainly wanted to avoid max throttle whenever possible. Is it better to run an engine in the sweet spot somewhere in the middle of the rpm range? Of course, but you cannot always do that. Take mine for example, to get 540 rpm on the rear pto and 2100 rpm on the mid pto I have to run the engine up to 2900 rpm. I'd love to be able to get 540 rpm on the rear pto at a much lower rpm like most of the big boy tractors but I can't. Am I worried about running my engine at 2900 rpm all the time instead of 2300 rpm? Nope, not at all because I maintain my equipment can change the fluids more often than recommended. Do I run my tractor in the 3000 rpm range? Absolutely, when I'm traveling over to my parents place I run her WOT which is 3170 rpm on a 3600 rpm rated engine. With all this said, I certainly wouldn't recommend running full throttle all the time on older equipment unless the high idle has been reduced well below engine max idle. The best practice is always to dip in and dip out as needed but back to the point. With FACTORY blades and setup, try full or near full throttle and see if that helps. If you don't like running it at full throttle then you can switch out blades.

I've already typed out too much so I'm not going to be long winded about advantages of making tractors last 20 years. Did you ever stop to wonder why they raise the prices on parts for old tractors at a steady rate or why they discontinue parts for old tractors? They do make the tractors to last so that is why they make it expensive or hard to maintain the old ones. That is how they try to price you into a new model of the same brand. I've watched the prices almost double for some of the parts on my tractor and it is only 9 years old. If my rear PTO fails I already know the tractor will get scrapped and I'll buy a new one and John Deere knows it too. :laughing:
 
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. I apologize for not getting back sooner. I was traveling last week for work.

I have been running the throttle at full speed to ensure that the tip speed is up. I will plan on getting the gauge and checking the blade heights. I'm also going to look into the blowout kit to see if that helps.

I see a lot of people are running different blades than what comes in the John Deere Kit. Is there a recommendation for a better blade to be using?

I mowed yesterday and this time set the deck up a little higher. I was wondering if I was mowing too low and causing the deck to get bogged down. I didn't see much of a change.

I've attached pictures of my first pass as well as my second pass. The second pass is in the opposite direction of the first. I'm also battling the poplar tree fuzz right now too so that is making a huge mess.

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Sometimes it is about finding the sweet spot. More so when asking the deck to do something besides just blow the grass out the side. In past 48" decks, I've seen people that did well with the Deere mulching kit and those who didn't. Blow out kits have purpose, but you wouldn't use one with the mulch kit. Hybrid blades such as Gators are reasonably successful with the 48 and others and will sometimes clean up a quality of cut. Whether or not they would work with the existing mulching kit is question. They are meant to be used stand alone plus may not have clearance with the mulching baffle. Best to start with the basics: clean, sharp, level and pitch.
 

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