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powerstroke6ltr

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Yes, I have searched and found info on the 2210 and X595. For my needs, and size, the 595 is probably overkill. It is a beautiful machine however! My concern is, what is "a good deal" on an X595, with 48" deck, 3 bag powerflow, 40 amp alternator, and spark arrestor? The lowest I've gotten w/o the alternator and pak arrestor is 12,558. With the alternator, I am prediciting the price to be a bit shy of 13k. Is that a really good price, or what should I aim for? Also, can I wash it with water and a wash mitt, or will it damage the electronics? What does the diesel sound like? thanks for any help
 
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I started another thread on the X595 last fall when I saw one at the county fair. It and the 2210 have the same diesel engine; I think. The X595 is mostly a mowing machine with very limited FEL and 3 pt capability. Think it's basically a Cat 0 3 pt with ability to upgrade to Cat 1. Bet its lift capability is less than the 700# of the 2210 (which is less than the 870 # of the 4010).

I paid $13,300 for my 4010 with FEL and LX4 cutter. The 2210 was $300 more. I didn't price an X595.

The X595 is being offered with the ATV-like tires. These tires and wheels will go right onto a 2210 (posted in another thread). Someone remarked that these pick up nails readily but grip good.

That's about it other than getting the specs. You can get stuff like this on the JD web site. Has a good transfer to Excel spreadsheet if you can read them.

Ralph
 
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Powerstroke,
I had a 595 and tell you it is an excellent machine. It has very good power, will mow great and will climb hills and do work that you would not feel comfortable doing when in four wheel drive. Contrary to some opinions on TBN, I think the 595 is a sub-CUT more than it is a garden tractor. There are two main problems with it, however. First, it only has one hydraulic pump, which is a weak one at that. This means one cannot operate two implements at once and it will not power a front end loader very well. Second, it has limited ground clearance, which inhibits its ability to do work in sketchy terrain, which it could negotiate otherwise. This problem also effects the 2210. In my opinion, the 595 is a NICER machine, as in it has good looks, many creature comforts, etc. It is not, however, a more versatile machine than the 2210. Be careful that you do not follow in my footsteps. I originally purchased a 595 for large volume mowing and light grading and snow removal with the front blade. It excelled at these tasks; but then I moved. My needs changed, and I found myself wanting a front end loader, box blade, etc, and the inadequacies noted above started to show. If I had it to do over, even though I loved my 595, I would have gotten a 2210. These machines are made to work, and you will get tired of owning either one before it wears out, so choose wisely. The 595 is not as popular on trade in for the above reason. My dealer was concerned that he could not sell the 595 I traded (he did pretty quickly though). He said that the 2210's went very quickly, even used. Something to think about. With regard to care, wash away, just keep things greased and do not use too high pressure. Finally, if you DO choose the 595 (or the 2210) I would strongly consider the HDAP tires. They give super traction, are pretty easy on grass, and are not too puncture prone. Good luck with your decisions.

John M
 
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/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif thanks for all the help...that was not only quick, but answered my questions in a non-round about way! Thanks. Now I have another question, if you take the deck off, won't there be a lot more ground clearance and a better breakover angle? I'm upgrading (major) from a craftsman lt1000 which is 3 yrs. old. Am I gonna be sorry i didn't just get a garden tractor from sears? thanks
 
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Yes, the 2210 has excellent ground clearance with the mower off, B U T !!!!!!! several people on this forum have damaged the transmision oil filter spewing hydraulic fluid on the ground, it is very exposed and unprotected under the belly and can be damaged if not careful while mounting the mower. With HDAP tires I have no trouble driving through snow a foot deep.
 
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Its a great machine you are looking at- price sounds a little high- I picked up a X485 w/54c deck, and had them put on the HDAP tires, with 40 hours on it for $6800.00 at the end of this year- I don't know your location but these guys are tough to beat- www.lawnpower.com and no I don't work there but saved close to 3k over my local dealer in the Chicago burbs- lots of people use these guys as a bench mark-
 
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thnaks for all the help. I'll definately come back for more help. The X595 would be new if purchased. thanks again
 
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Did a little research, and found the model lower has a diesel! The GX355 is quite a bit cheaper, but my question is, can teh GX be as versatile? Which is a better machine for mowing about 5-6 hrs. a day 5 days a week, and movng snow? thnanks
 
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Powerstroke,
I have read your questions; my opinion may differ somewhat from the other posters, but I feel you would not be happy with a GX355 tractor. These machines are nice, but not really meant for continuous high hour operation. Sure, there are people out there using them to death, day after day, but their frame size and drive belt (not shaft) limits them somewhat. My father has a GX345, which is the gasoline equivalent of the 355. It is a very nice machine, but not the equivalent of a 595 or 2210. They are probably MORE capable than the price difference suggests. Simply, there is no comparison. The 595 is a super machine, but for the money, go with the 2210. You will have the 595 engine, essentially same mower deck, and more flexibility with regard to attachments. The four wheel drive on both 595 and 2210 makes a huge difference in performance and is worth every penny. Now those machines can stand up to your needs, for hours on end. As far as noise, I found my 595 to be about the same in noise as my father's 345, only different because it is a diesel. I also think the 595 is marginally more quiet than a 2210 because of hood shape and better sound deadening. The real noise maker on either of these machines is the mower deck (62 inch). It howls incessantly, and requires hearing protection. It is so loud that JD did a running update to lower gearbox whine. I had the dealer update mine, but could tell almost no difference after the update. The sound is so characteristic that I can tell when someone has a 62 inch deck, it can be heard for some distance. I would not worry about the diesel noise, though. If you want a truly quiet machine, then the 54 inch deck may be better, and it is not that much slower.

John M.
 
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I've come to another issue...the 2210's ROPS is too tall to go under some stuff I need it to...Low overhangs, trees, lines, etc. and to what i know, the 2210 has a larger turning radius. I need to get into really tight spots, and have some tight turns to navigate also, which might make the 2210 not the right machine. I do however want the cpability of an FEL in the future for manure moving, etc, but probably not anything really really heavy. Would the 595 be able to pull someting it can't lift? Like larger rocks? I am tied between two nice machines. Can the 2210 have a mid mount mower deck, liek the 595? I don't like the idea of hte brush hog layout type mower...Thanks again...hey is there any chance you could get startup and running files of the 595?? I want to know what it sounds like...thanks (call me crazy, but sometimes what a machine sounds like is one of the final determining factors...lol-for me at least, dont' want to sound like it's a tin can with rocks in it...or a sewing machine on steroids lol) Thanks a million! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif P.S. Does anyone know whether a Craftsman 26hp gas garden tractor is equivelant to an X-series diesel? It has 2 more hp...and my craftsman lt1000 can pull my truck around...(not very well though-no joke! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)?
 
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powerstroke,

Get the 62C and you will leave an uncut circle of 36". The 62 also has the added benefit of pushing the ROPS away from that landscaping you were worried about. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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you're referring to the 2200 series?? Well, I could always run the landscaping over...but the signifcant other wouldn't like that one. IMO there should just be big fields and praries to mow /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I still don't like the idea of parking the 22 outside. The roll-over protection is too tall...unless the garage/shed is made bigger...that would be nice. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Teh 62' is too wide though...well at least around the house and barn...once you get out to the fields it would be great. What is the smallest deck on the 2210 and can it be mid-mounted.
 
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I have the older model 455 with 60" deck - & plow with it! It gets picked first to move stuff around the farm.

Seriously the mower deck is louder than exhaust on mine as well.
 

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Powerstroke,
To follow up on your questions: the 2210 can operate a mid mounted mower deck, in fact, most are purchased with them. The ROPS can be removed and some aftermarket companies are even offering a folding ROPS, so clearance should not be a problem. The 595 does have a slightly tighter turning radius than does the 2210, but the difference is negligible. I believe the 2210 can also be had with a 54" deck, and I know the 595 can. The difference between the two with regard to loaders is large, though. The 45 loader for the 595 is a well-built unit, but the hydraulics on the tractor will not allow it to lift more than 400 pounds. The 2210 210 loader will lift 625 to full height and more to 36", the other common rating point. It is a much better loader. I had a 45 loader on my 595 and found the tractor capable of moving more than the loader or hydraulics could handle. As far as comparing your 26 horsepower Craftsman to either of these machines, and please forgive me for this, either of these machines could outpull or outwork two of the Craftsman tractors (I am serious about this). The diesel would be the equivalent power-wise to a good three or four cylinder 30-32 hp gasoline engine, that is fuel-injected. Do not let the horsepower advantage of the Craftsman fool you. The diesel Yanmar in either tractor offers superior torque and performance. The four wheel drive and sophisticated chassis design also adds to this large difference. For example, last year with our first snow, I was able to pull my wife's 4200# SUV out of a ditch on our steep 15-18% driveway, uphill, with my 595. I attached a tow strap to the trailer hitch, and due to the angle had to pull the SUV uphill to straighten it out. The 595 was able to pull the rear of her vehicle around sideways (sliding it over the ice) and out of the ditch with the SUV in neutral. I doubt many conventional garden tractors could accomplish such a feat. I am sure the 2210 would offer similar performance. The best advice I could give on the sound is to go to your nearest dealer and start one. They sound fine.

John M.
 
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If your looking for maneuverability an getting under things,
here's three tractors worth checking out before you buy
anything...

Steiner tractors.
http://www.steinerturf.com/products/

Ventrac tractors
http://www.venturepro.com/

Power Trac
http://power-trac.com/

Before I bought my Steiner 230 turf tractor I had looked at
both the X500 series an the 2210. They both are good machine
but for the price difference I'd lean towards the JD 2210, it
a little heftier machine... .

Richard
West Michigan
 
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powerstroke,

I did have to modify the header in my shed and the door to clear the 2210 ROPS. Believe it or not, it is taller than the one on my old 755. I'd hate to see you get the wrong tractor (I'm not saying that's what you would be doing) because of the ROPS, the size, and your shed. Think carefully about those. Even your landscaping, beds of woodchips/mulch extending the plantings out further really helps -- in fact it could be your first project! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Good Luck!
 
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With all of the hype about weak hydraulics on the 595, and from what i've heard the 2210 and 595 have the same engine, theoretically would it be possible to oufit a 595 with a 2210's hydraulic pump? thanks for all the help. Stuck between two great machines!! It's as bad as being stuck between two great people... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif In reference to the sears, now it makes sense...large engines and big tires sell! Doesn't a belt drive soak up a large majority of the hp?
 
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The hydrualics are not interchangeable. They are integrated with the hydrostatic transaxle on both machines. In fact that is one of the major differences between the X series and 2210-the transaxle.
 
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Oh, the 2210 has a dual range tranny doesn't it...what is the top speed then? something like 16mph then? thanks
 
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Would you believe the fixed ROPS on the 2210 is 1" taller than the one on the 4010, both with turf tires? My 4010 goes either through the regular garage doors on the main deck or into the basement double doors below. Got about an inch to spare. Wouldn't have with a 2210.

If you really want strong hydraulics, the 4010 has them. There's a good testimony to this in a 4010 poster in the Owner/operating section below. I plan to test this out with mine by ordering a load of gravel and using the FEL to distribute it down my trail.

Ralph
 

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