I didn't know some didn't have water pumps,,,makes sense,,thicker is harder to circulate,,I guess??,,,well,,I think about a 50 - 50 mix,,is probably good down to about 30 below o,,,,so reckon a 30 - 70 mix should be maybe 10 - 15 degress,,above 0,,it does get colder than that here,,not to often but it does,,think we had several nights about 5 degrees or so last winter,,and I remember it below 0 here in w.va. not to many winters back,,one time I was in upstate n.y. in the winter,,and it was 30 below 0,,daylight one morning...thats all I'm saying,,is in a lot of the country,,a 30 - 70 mix,,might not be good enough,,,,course,,it probably wouldn't freeze solid enough to crack anything or push a freeze plug out,,???,,it would be something I would consider if buying one,,,now that I know though,,,thingy