Yesterday. Would you buy and EV?

[meackerman]

Got any substantiated examples?

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[bmaverick]

I have no ac and sleep just fine. Either u don’t have a ceiling fan or u drink too much beer. Sheesh, How hot can it get in Beloit anyway? LOL

Yesterday it hit 101F and 78% humidity.

Wish I did have a few cold ones.

 

[cqaigy2]

VW EV, starting at $41,000. They claim 250 mile range (would you gamble beyond 200 miles? No, so you still need an ICE car for the real world).

Let me see, $41,000 will buy me 16,000 gallons of gas (in a sane world, or 8000 gallons in an insane world). My ICE commuter (bought in 1994 for $12K--haven't replaced the engine yet--or the battery pack because it doesn't have one!) will go 640,000 miles on 16,000 gallons. So: does it make any sense to own an EV, even with gas at $5. NO!
Anyone who would spend $41K on an electric toy car.....well, there's a sucker born every minute according to PT Barnum--current rate appears to be closer to 1 sucker per second.

Pretty close on the price.
Carbuzz. VW EV

I have a neighbor that bought a well used diesel pickup for around the same amount. So using your figures. $41k would buy 16,000 gallons of gas, probably less diesel. I bought a used 2000 4x4 Ranger for 3K, i have close to 300K miles on it. I haven't replace the engine or 2K watt laser because it doesn't have one. So does that make any sense to own a well used diesel pickup, even with gas at $5. no. Anybody that would spend $41K on a used diesel pickup is.. oh wait, this doesn't make any sense at all does it?

I'm still not likely to buy an EV if the numbers don't work out.

 

[bmaverick]

Pretty close on the price.
Carbuzz. VW EV

I have a neighbor that bought a well used diesel pickup for around the same amount. So using your figures. $41k would buy 16,000 gallons of gas, probably less diesel. I bought a used 2000 4x4 Ranger for 3K, i have close to 300K miles on it. I haven't replace the engine or 2K watt laser because it doesn't have one. So does that make any sense to own a well used diesel pickup, even with gas at $5. no. Anybody that would spend $41K on a used diesel pickup is.. oh wait, this doesn't make any sense at all does it?

I'm still not likely to buy an EV if the numbers don't work out.

Even IF $41K got you 8,000 gallons of gas, you'll still have left over fuel unless there is an engine rebuild near 750,000 miles or more.

Depending on driving habits and diesel MPG, that 8,000 gallons would get you 280,000 miles.
At 16,000 it would get you 560,000 miles.

What's the highest an EV can reach before pulling the battery banks to replace and a motor rebuild/replacement? Would it even reach 150,000 miles?

I do believe diesel is here to stay for the long haul.

Looking at the early EVs and the Edison Iron Batteries, the newer EVs just use a modified Edison Iron Lithium instead. History would repeat itself, diesel would still be known as king of energy. And we can grow the bio-fuels too.

 

[ultrarunner]

Tesla Solar Roof Price Hike Class Action Lawsuit - Charging More Than...

Tesla is facing a new class action lawsuit over its Solar Roof price hikes. Tesla allegedly increased the prices of Solar Roofs after...

considertheconsumer.com

Im running into this everywhere and the precedent cited is Force Majeure due to extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties...

 

[Reddogs]

Sure. Weight is the friend of any tractor so if someone puts a battery in one that will last me 12 hours of PTO operation I'm all for it. Just think of how nice it would be to not have to listen to the roar of an engine!

What if you get a more realistic 2-3 hours....with a gentle hum to capture your fancy..

 

[bnold]

Comprehend on all that a while…..

You post was simplistic in nature.

Compare emissions output of fossil fuel power plant and a typical internal combustion engine for the same kw output.

My response was equally as simplistic.



I’ve been pretty steadfast that my interest in EV or PV is not environmental based, but economy based.

I’m aware of the pollutants produced from all sorts of mining, production, farming, living, cow farts, whatever…

 

[bnold]

The entire state of Massachusetts is only 190 miles across. So, it is no surprise that someone in MA can operate that way. I would ask that you take your Tesla and tour the country. See how the rest of us live. 870 miles across Texas alone. I would have to stop for gas once in my car for about 10 minutes or less. Best case in a "long range" Tesla is 2 stops. 30 minutes only gets you from 10%-80% on the fastest charger. A minimum of 50 minutes lost, just across 1 western state.

Your initial outlay for the Tesla and the solar power system is considerably more money than I would spend on gas in 4 years. 20k miles a year, worst case 40mpg., call it 500 gallons at $5 to make the math easy...$2500 in gas per year x 4 years = $10k. The long range model 3 cost $30k more than my Prius. I'm still ahead by $20k not even counting the solar power system.

What percentage of the population drive more than 250mi/day for 95% of the year?

I live in Texas. I don’t live in the city.

Prior to EV I stopped for fuel every 2 days (2-3 times per week) for ‘10mins’, now I haven’t fueled for my commute since getting an EV. I’ve saved over 2 hours of these 10 minute stops in the past few months.

Nothing against a Prius, had family with a string of em (Big fan of Toyota/LX in general) But arguments based alone of initial cost of vehicle are often special. You’d probably be a lot cheaper if you drove a $1,000 used motorcycle in lieu of that Prius. It would be cheaper for my commute as well. Why don’t we do that?

Poor comparison.

Just as poor as the comparisons I could buy a used car for $10k and get great mileage and never meet the cost of an EV…. No kidding. Some don’t want to drive a $10k car.

PV ROI often less than 10 years.
5-7 for me currently. To some that is intriguing, others don’t care to reduce cost.

 

[bnold]

Today's EV vehicles are truly remarkable and they don't have to be for everyone as modern ICE is also remarkable too.

Maybe the problem is expecting a single one size fits for all?

I tend to think a mix is the way forward... and if I could afford a steam car I would add one to the collection!

Tend to agree with all of this.

 

[bnold]

Ok, 25 years. At that point the panels are at 70% of their rated power, assuming individual panels and controllers haven't failed outright in that time period. Batteries? 10 year life if you're lucky. Point being that individual systems make no sense for the typical homeowner (not in a sunny climate, can't afford to "invest" in a solar array for 20 years--typical ROI period for non-Californicated areas, or just don't want another damn thing to break around the house).

Correct, they don’t make sense for ALL.
Makes sense for many.

Definitely don’t make sense for those
Looking for a pretty decent return on investment.

5-7yrs for me right now. Panel life at 30yrs, if they make it half that, do it again as they will likely pay for themselves and then some all over again.