YM1401D

[Anonymous Poster]

I'm new to this Yanmar thing. I need to get a tractor
fairly quickly and have found a local dealer that
has quite a few different models. My question
is about the 1401D. He has one that seems to be
in quite a bit better shape than any of the other models
he has. It hasn't been re-painted and seems to have
an actual 330 hours on it. He wants $3800 for it. He also
has a few 1500D's that don't look or seem quite as nice
for $3500. Is there any reason I should go for the 1500D
over the 1401D? What about compaired to the 1510D?

Thanks

 

[Calpyro]

Hello,
The 1401 and the 1500 are somewhat different tractors. I believe that the 1401 are a more modern design and a bit smaller. The 1401 have a 3-cylinder engine and the 1500 have a two-cylinder. The 1401 should run smoother and be quieter due to this difference. I have heard from some parts dealers that some front-end components of the 4WD front axle have been discontinued in the 1500D model and can be somewhat difficult to obtain.
The 1401 would be my first choice if it's the size is appropriate for your application. However, if it is too small, I would probably look for another dealer. There are more Grey dealers out there than you probably are aware of.
Hope it helps,
Cameron

 

[lens12]

Cameron is correct on the parts situation. the YM1401d also has a water pump. If I was buying it for a loader , I'd get red YM1500d since it has a cast clutch housing.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

What I need is a tractor to mow 2 acres. I also have
a rather large garden so I would like to run a tiller.
A loader would be nice to have in the future but would
only be used for some light landscaping work. Would
the 1401D run a loader ok? Is there any weak point to these
tractors that I need to look out for?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Oh one more thing. I've noticed that the 2cy and 3cy have
about the same HP figures. Is there much difference in
torque? It seems to me that torque is as important in a
tractor as HP is.

Thanks for the help.

 

[lens12]

The YM1401 can handle a loader for what you want to use it for. I don't know the torque differences of the Yanmars. I don't think it would be a major difference. The old 2 cylinder JD tractors had alot of torque due to the large bore of the cylinder & could really lug. The multi cylinder engines above 2 cylinder usually have the most torque at higher rpms. Once rpm's drop past a certain point , torque drops fast. After saying all this, the bottom line is I'd recommend the YM1401.

 

[reb]

I would suggest you check out the tractor thoroughly. From what I have read on these forums the last few months, the hours are likely to be much higher than the meter indicates. These grey market tractors have most likely been used for 25 years or so before coming here. The important thing is mechanical condition.

I bought a 1500D a while back. It looked great and a short test drive indicated no problems. Before I had put 3 hours on the hourmeter, a rear wheel bearing failed. I haven't had a lot of trouble finding parts. I just hadn't counted on spending so much time working on it.

I would buy another one if I could start over. I'd just be more careful in checking it out.

reb

 

[hosejockey2002]

IMHO, it boils down to what you want to do with your machine. My 1401D handles a loader fine, but about 400 lbs. is all it will handle safely. It handles a 4 foot box scraper fine also, but will sometimes run out of traction when the box is full ( I'm sure it would help if I filled the tires or used wheel weights). It's quiet, reliable, and parts seem to be readily available through the dealers in this forum. (haven't needed any yet.) /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif It will move mountains, just in rather small pieces.

 

[roger_scotty]

I like the water pump and the 3 cylinder engine. For what it's worth, Ihave a two cylinder non-waterpump and a 3 cylinder with the pump. I've actually done more work with the little two cylinder....But if I was recommending a used tractor I'd say to lean toward the 1401D. You can always brace a loader so as to take the stress between the rear axle and front bumper. By going to a full subframe you can deal with any bell housing if you decide to add a loader later, gator.

 

[trentay]

Anyone know what brand of loaders that have a mounting system for the 1401d come with a full mounting system to the rear axle to avoid the stress problems that are referred to in this post? Does the Bush Hog, EFC or Allied loaders with a mounting system designed for the 1401d have this extra strengthening feature?

It seems that if a Loader is capable of lifting 700 - 800 lbs and the tractor and mount design will only safely handle 400 lbs, one is sure to exceed the tractors limitations. I don't know about you, but I would find it hard to guage how much weight I had in the bucket if it was full given the multitude of materials one might be try to pick up with their tractor.

 

[hosejockey2002]

The 400 pounds I mentioned in my post are not calculated or written down anywhere. It is just my seat-of-the pants impression of what my particular machine with my particular loader will safely handle. I have lifted more than that on a few occasions, but I could see the loader frame flex a bit and feel the rear tires get real light even with 350 pounds hanging off the 3 point. I just don't want to reach the point where something breaks or worse yet end up with "rubber side up" if you know what I mean.

 

[Ym1401King]

I am in the process of picking up my 1401 next week. I am thourghly IMPRESSED with mine. I don't know much about the 1500, but have heard nothing but good about the 1401. A good small tractor. I am using mine for plowing snow, tilling a garden, and mowing the lawn. Mine is 2wd though. But I am satisfied with that. The locking differential will help a lot on that note. In my opinion, you CANT go wrong with a 1401.

Aric /w3tcompact/icons/king.gif

 

[roger_scotty]

Trentay, you bring up good points, and food for thought. But if exact answers exist, I don't know them. For instance, I have never seen the various tractor/loader stress combinations published. They would be easy enough to calculate, but there seems to be little interest. People seem to prefer to trust their instincts. Most just experiment until they find some level that they feel comfortable with.

Full frames for loaders are another matter. Much is known. The need for them in rough service is well documented as are the designs. I tend to do that kind of work on my own machines, but imagine that any Ag fab shop will do it for you if you are concerned about the tractor. Yanmar even published some recommendations on this subject for the last of their models right before they quit selling in this country, so the knowledge is available. When Yanmar was making loaders for their tractors, some came as full frame and some as bell housing only. It all depended on how the tractor was constructed. For example, the YM165D came stock with a full frame loader and the 336D with a bell housing mount. Both being a reflection of how the tractor was built.

The issue of "how much weight is in a bucket" is most interesting. I think I'll start a new thread under that subject and see what we can learn.

 

[EFC]

The rear sub frame mount is fine but on that size tractor it is mega over kill. You will brake the front axel housing before you need a rear subframe on a 1401D.

 

[bruce1966us]

Usually you only have to worry about a subframe if the tractor has a weak (say aluminum bell housing such as the Hinomoto E2302). They will break into . I have not experienced such problems with the Yanmar tractors. By saying that I will have a mega problem tommorrow!

Thanks,
Bruce

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Well I went by the dealers place on Saturday and he
had sold the 1401D. I talked my self into buying
a 1510. I really wanted a FWD but this was a nice
tractor and I liked the shuttle shift. Besides he
made me a very good deal on it. So good that if
it doesn't work out I could buy a 1510D and use this
one for parts. What is everyone's thoughts on the 1510?

 

[hosejockey2002]

Don't know much about the 1510 but if its like other Yanmars you won't need one for parts. Maybe you can trade it back to the dealer if the 2WD doesn't work out.