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He's using modern/efficient electronics around it, but essentially what he's implemented is an old-school industrial/telecomm concept.

Many consumers today want turnkey solutions that they have minimal or no interaction with, like the one you linked. Good fit for the general market, but for a hands-on guy like 90, rolling your own solution gains things that matter to him.

Efficiency on his system is really high, partly because it allows a compact diesel do what it does best - use it's torque curve to deal with a relatively heavy load when called upon.

I like that hybrid approach. You can use batteries+inverter (power converter, not a generator in today's vocabulary) to constantly supply low-level loads (what's common in most households), then just use the dzl for heavy lifting.

Propane is a good solution (fit's daugen's use-case well, for his current abode), as it stores well. Diesel stores better than today's gasoline, and in a real SHTF scenario may well be more scroungeable than propane or gas. Under most scenarios, you need AC available to fill a propane tank...... diesel or gasoline just needs gravity to siphon.

Having any reliable generator handy is a good thing....... the exact details of the setup have different priorities, depending who you are talking to......

Rgds, D.
 
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My entire house is powered up.
A traditional 120/240 volt generator gas or diesel (especially gas generators) are very inefficient.
I moved away from gaseous fueled generators because of gasoline/propane storage and consumption issues.
Diesel is delivered bulk and easily stored long term and can be found in most homes as heating oil.
I built my system to be efficient/reliable and also useless to anyone looking for a free generator if SHTF.
My system is designed around stored energy (batteries).
A typical generator gas or diesel is single phase and very inefficient when used to charge batteries.
My diesels drive 28 volt 6 phase DC alternators which are much more efficient when used to charge batteries.
The loss converting 120 or 240 volt AC to DC is eliminated.
With a DC generator engine speed is not important which allows them to be run at a speed (power level) that meets the load.
My 10hp L100 Yanmar drives a 450 amp 28 volt 6 phase alternator and runs at 2700 rpm which is the most efficient speed according to the fuel consumption map.
I have achieved run times approaching 6 hours/gallon supporting my entire house with the Yanmar.
Google or utube 6 phase power if you want details.

90cummins


Why 3 Phase Power? Why not 6 or 12? - YouTube
 
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good explanation 90Cummins. 6 hours to the gallon sounds very good.
Diesel is the least volatile fuel that still works and can meet emission standards.
And every fuel oil company in the area has trucks full of what you need, so picking a popular fuel is good.
Ultimately the best security is having something for when the oil runs out.
With electric cars coming fast, that time seems to be getting further in the future.

Propane has longer storage ability so if you had the room for a really big propane tank, like 1000 or more, seems
that would be very comforting to have full. Particularly if you could negotiate a big volume discount.
Even with lots of additives, cetane enhancers, etc, I wouldn't run diesel fuel more than three years old.

I bet three year old propane hasn't changed much, but I'm guessing. Who knows?
Does it dissipate/leak over time?
 
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At least one person on here has doubled up their main propane tanks at home. Good idea in general, and if you can buy off-season pricing, may allow you to reduce cost.

A buddy of mine pulled out some full 20# propane tanks he had stored for at least 10 years. Not recommended in general (tank would be expired), but it burned no problem. AFAIK, the propane has great long-term stability, so it just comes down to the physical integrity of the tank and valve.

Rgds, D.
 
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i have a 1000 gallon buried propane tank. i buy fuel in summer when cheapest.
 
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For pickup propane (meaning not delivered), Costco is the best deal here. Last I checked, even the non-swap places charge you for 20#, regardless if the tank is brought in 1/2 full..... even normally docile Canucks would riot if they tried that with gasoline...

Saw a few guys with 100# tanks, last time I was at Costco..... my buddy in BC (land of high cost fuel, even by Canuck standards) routinely sees p/u's from the Interior pulling into Costco with multiple 100# tanks in the bed.

That's one thing I wonder about the big home/business tanks..... do they have to be re-certified every 10 yrs like the portables ?

Rgds, D.
 
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ran my gen for ten minutes today, 42 degrees out, 246 volts, 3 seconds to start, single 30 pound tank, but no test under load
 
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Never seen propane sold at Costco in MD, VA
 
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Never seen propane sold at Costco in MD, VA

In VA, the Costcos only do the tank exchanges (Amerigas) like convenience stores do. Thankfully, our home propane delivery vendor also has a drive in service that they offer for filling or exchanging portables. You can even charge it back against your homeowner account - no muss, no fuss.
 
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ran my gen for ten minutes today, 42 degrees out, 246 volts, 3 seconds to start, single 30 pound tank, but no test under load

Help my lousy memory pls..... is your transfer switch wired up ?

Rgds, D.
 

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