Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing

   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing
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#101  
Hey @ETD66SS, mind posting a link to that sod cutter attachment? I’ve been meaning to find something very similar to that.

Also, how well does it work?
I could not find one, so designed this myself. My original design had a concrete filled roller attached right above the cutting edge, but the sod just kept getting wedged between the two. Once I removed the roller and used weightlifting plates it works much better.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #102  
I could not find one, so designed this myself. My original design had a concrete filled roller attached right above the cutting edge, but the sod just kept getting wedged between the two. Once I removed the roller and used weightlifting plates it works much better.
That’s funny, as I designed one myself as well, and also used a conveyor roller in that design. But I never completed the build.

Did you weld up the frame from scratch, or modify it from something existing?
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing
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#103  
That’s funny, as I designed one myself as well, and also used a conveyor roller in that design. But I never completed the build.

Did you weld up the frame from scratch, or modify it from something existing?
See attached. I started with a 3pt hitch middle buster. (old one, much better than the crap you can buy these days).

The roller and the center support needed to be removed in order for the sod to not get jamed up. Having enough weight is the key to it working.
 

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   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #104  
To the OP... Fwiw, I use a 6' king kutter finish mower behind my cc/yanmar ex3200. Right at 14 yrs now mowing 4 acres. A lot of rough and bumpy spots, hills and slow going spots, ( especially a 20' cliff overlooking the lake). Takes me 2 1/2 hrs. When you get to know how to use your mower you can mow around objects quickly. I've had very little maintenance on the mower. 1 belt and a couple sets of new blades. I actually look forward to the mow because of the way the lawn looks after.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #105  
See attached. I started with a 3pt hitch middle buster. (old one, much better than the crap you can buy these days).

The roller and the center support needed to be removed in order for the sod to not get jamed up. Having enough weight is the key to it working.
Thanks! I'd think that varying the blade angle would also help keep it planted. Always figured the hydraulic top link would be key to this working well.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #106  
I had a 1520 ford with a 72" land pride finish
mower that I mowed with for years. I know about the 5hp/ft thing, but that combo did just fine. I liked the comment about tbe flail mower. Is it grass you are mowing or just field growth?
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #107  
This. The 4x4 Deeres are pretty strong ....

Or you can look at an Altoz. This is the ride-on but they make a stand-on too (standing might be good for along the pond banks):

Or if you have a big checkbook look into a Ventrac or Steiner (also branded as the Bobcat AT450 since they now own them). You can get them with dual wheels and can even add remote control so you don't need to ride it on the banks!
Have a dual wheel Ventrac that is an amazing machine which is used primarily with Toughcut attachment to cut steep dams on my property. The only piece of equipment I have that will safely handle the job. Previous the dams had to be cut with string trimmer over two days. Job now done in a couple of hours! Pricey but worth every penny penny.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #108  
That's good information to have!
For a nice ride. Consider a Bad Boy. Although they recently dropped the nice rubber suspension, the dealer said the new spring suspension seat makes up for it.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #109  
See attached. I started with a 3pt hitch middle buster. (old one, much better than the crap you can buy these days).

The roller and the center support needed to be removed in order for the sod to not get jamed up. Having enough weight is the key to it working.
Just found these "bed lifters", which might serve the purpose with minimal mods to add some weight. Just need to be sure it's sturdy enough to not bend when dragged thru thickly-rooted turf.

 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #110  
For the past ~10 years I have been using my Ford 1620 HST 4x4 with 60" 914 deck to mow about 7 acres. I'm at the point now where I don't look forward to mowing due to many mower deck breakdowns (tractor is great) along with the the time required to mow all 7 acres. It basically kills one whole day of my weekend. I think the top speed of the 1620 in MED gear (fastest I can go due to blade speed and cutting) is something like 1.5 mph.

I have been hesitant to get a zero turn due to the fact I have a decent strech of mowing along ditches & pond banks (~1200ft of pond banks, ~ 1000ft of ditches), where sometimes it can be a bit wet. I have never gotten my 1620 stuck to the point I needed another piece of equipment to pull it out. The rest of the mowing is very flat.

I have been looking at thie Ferris mower: Ferris 5902073

I assume my cutting time will decrease, but it also seems like I am going to not be able to cut some areas, especially on the steep ditches?
Look into a flail mower. You can get one that tilts, so its easier to mow banks. Also, you can go faster if terain permits.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #111  
1268 lbs for a dry weight. That will hold a hillside. You'd be surprised at how well it does. It's the weight that does it too. My Simplicity is like that. A heavy bugger that rides well and the weight helps on side hilling.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #112  
I went from a 42 inch Craftsman riding mower to my 60 inch Scag zero turn when Sears stopped supporting my mower. I couldn't get parts for it, so I junked it.

The riding mower was fun to mow with. It was slow, but I had a cup holder, and I enjoyed drinking beer while mowing. The zero turn doesn't let that happen, so there isn't anything relaxing about it.

Besides being a bigger mower with more power, the zero turn was comfortable on side hills that the riding mower wasn't. If it was dry, and I only mow when it's dry, I could climb or side hill anything on my land with comfort. I've slid into my pond a few times, but that's my fault, not the mowers. I know better, but I'm always pushing it and trying to get just a little closer!!!

Since I'm in East Texas, and we don't have mountains, I don't know what it's like to have really steep terrain. But for me, the zero turn is the safest thing that I've experienced for mowing in unsafe conditions.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #113  
Ditto on the JD 1445/1435. I have the 76" rear discharge deck and the system can go 15 mph (measured with radar trailer). The rear discharge can out-do a side discharge because of high cut grass flow rate, AND it can easily handle very tall weeds, sticks, grass, vines, etc. Side discharge bogs in the same situation. I have a 60" broom for it for snow. The front deck operation is easy, and they have a steering wheel (better understood by family members). Used ones are about $3500 to 4500 depending on hours.

I also have a 84" Woods 3pt rear discharge deck that I used on a 4x4 tractor smaller than yours. No power problems.

Friend has an ExMark 72" ZTR diesel (kubota motor) and it's FAST with good ride. Sips fuel. Also has a 72" Toro equivalent uses gasoline. Same easy operation (with sticks), but fuel usage is 3x. These are commercial rated mowers, very heavy and can easily get stuck on soft ground. Used ones here are $2500 to 5500 depending on fuel, motor and deck size. The diesels are rare. Toro apparently uses better hydraulic motors according to a landscape contractor who does the neighbors yard, even though they are now the same company.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #114  
Quick scan I saw one mention of the Altoz.

OP didn't mention budget that I saw, but the price I got for an Altoz was around $23,000 which is more than I paid for my SCUT with backhoe.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #115  
Quick scan I saw one mention of the Altoz.

OP didn't mention budget that I saw, but the price I got for an Altoz was around $23,000 which is more than I paid for my SCUT with backhoe.

Not trying to start a fight, just posting more info. It depends on what you need from the Altoz. The least expensive tracked ride-on model actually starts at $17K (then go as high as $25K):
In my area there are a fair amount of used ones anywhere from $9K-$14K.

Also, most larger commercial-grade ZT's will run from there the whole way up to the low-30K's, so Altoz is definitely not the only one that is more than some SCUTs.

I also agree with posts above that recommend the Deere 1400's, but not sure I agree with the rear-discharge deck. They do in fact handle the thick grass better, but they don't spread out the clippings as well as a side discharge. But again, it depends on what you are looking for/expecting as far as cut quality.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #116  
That's a very interesting design, but I have to imagine a tracked ZTR is going to tear up the lawn pretty badly in the turns, no?
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #117  
Everyone has strong opinions on this topic and is pretty well set in their position and unlikely to be swayed.
Um... It's situational! Why would I want to be "swayed" into using something other than what I've already found to work for ME and in my SITUATION? I NEVER tell people what they SHOULD use/get, I only offer why I use what I use. What I use, and how I use/operate it, most certainly wouldn't be suitable for others with different conditions/environments.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing
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#118  
Not trying to start a fight, just posting more info. It depends on what you need from the Altoz. The least expensive tracked ride-on model actually starts at $17K (then go as high as $25K):
In my area there are a fair amount of used ones anywhere from $9K-$14K.

Also, most larger commercial-grade ZT's will run from there the whole way up to the low-30K's, so Altoz is definitely not the only one that is more than some SCUTs.

I also agree with posts above that recommend the Deere 1400's, but not sure I agree with the rear-discharge deck. They do in fact handle the thick grass better, but they don't spread out the clippings as well as a side discharge. But again, it depends on what you are looking for/expecting as far as cut quality.
Wow, not sure I could ever spend that much on a dedicated mowing machine. Never seen a tracked mower before...
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #119  
Even within the Cub Cadet ZTR's, there's almost a doubling of price when going from a consumer mower to a commercial unit.

I don't know of any other tracked ZTR besides the Altoz which also appears to be unique in offering a brush cutter style deck with swinging blades. Orec sells a tracked flail mower in the USA, but it is a walk behind.
 
   / Zero turn vs. 4X4 tractor for mowing #120  
I met a Altoz owner last week. Bought in 2019 for 16k. He was very happy with it I his hilly yard.

My robo mower will be here in July that cuts a 45deg/100% slope. I have wasted so much of my life mowing grass, not for much longer though!
 

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