Pole Barn with no permit

   / Pole Barn with no permit #61  
1*In places where there are no permits and inspections, construction techniques and materials may be substandard. 2*The purpose of permits and inspections is not to provide somebody with a paycheck.
3* Anyway, building permits and inspections provide a valuable service by insuring that structures can be certified as adequately constructed according to code.
4*Just because something is not regulated does not make that automatically good.
1*They could be some above code also.
Codes can restrict progress and improvement.
2*It can also keep certain special interest in business at the cost of loss of a better more economical way/method.
3* It can but can't be guaranteed across the board every time.
It's not an automatic given.
4*Nor an automatic bad.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #62  
You may want to doublecheck your codes.. I'll bet there is flyspec language that states that you cannot build within the ROW without prior authorization.. and that includes fencing.. etc.

Local code enforcement here shuts down lots of road side stands and people selling stuff ont he roadside.. not for lack of a sales permit.. but usually for being in the ROW.. I'm sure each municipality handles this slightly differently.. etc.. For instance.. many places require a permit for a yard sale!

soundguy

1* Technically this is true.
2*There is no reason for them getting off the pavement simply because of it being a right of way.
There is no reason for the driving public to drive or park on it either.
It's a right away not a freeway or public parking lot.
3*I've done this a couple of times temporarily along my front yard to protect my investment and efforts.
As far as I can ascertain I'm under no obligation to provide the public with a pullover place driving lane or parking spot between the edge of the pavement and the boundary of the right of way.

Right Away:
Right to use NOT ABUSE.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #63  
I've been "permitted" to death where I live. I spent almost 2 hours talking to an inspector doing a "final" on the barn I have been building and learned that our local permits go to the extreme. By the law where I live I have to get a permit to do about anything at my place except painting or changing 'window treatments' (read: curtains). If one of my kids manages to drop something hard and heavy and cracks a ceramic tile I am supposed to get a permit to replace that tile and must have the work inspected! :eek:

The inspector here was a decent guy and has been in his position for 23 years. He said it was so much easier for him when he goes to inspect something where all of the proper permits were pulled and all prior inspections had been done; such as I had on this barn. When I asked him of the possible issues someone would have if they didn't get permits I was shocked to hear what he said. Many times buildings have to be torn down, moved or changed. That could get extremely 'spensive!

For example; when I applied to build my barn, the county had to approve the size, height, construction method, construction materials and elevation of my barn. Even though I do not live within any city limits I still cannot build a barn that is larger than my house unless it is specifically for agriculture use or I apply for a "variance". That variance is only granted after every property owner within 2 of me (people with land touching my land and people with land touching their land) receive notices of what I intend to do and when the county holds the public meeting to hear my reason for asking for said variance. If any of these people object, the permit could be denied if the county council agrees with their objection.

I don't know how large anyone's home is on here, but with five kids, my home is over 6500 sq. ft. finished area. They do not allow any barns to be built that are larger than the home without a variance. I figured I should be able to build a larger barn no problem. However, my square footage really doesn't count I discovered. When my county says "size", they mean the actual 'footprint' of the home. If your home is over one story in height, none of the upper floors count in figuring the square footage! Even worse, even though my pool house is a completely finished 'house' in it's own respect, the entire size of the pool house counts against the size of my main house! So, without being used only for agriculture use, I have to have a 'variance' for about anything larger than a yard barn. About the only thing that helped me with my house being tall is that our county requires barns to be no taller than the home. I was sweating that part because the last barn I built has 80' wide trusses on top of 20' side walls. Fortunately my home was tall enough; barely.

I understand the permit reasoning but sometimes they go waaaaaay too far. I've been permitted to death and taxed to death. If I lived in an area that is considered in a potential flood plain I would have to raise the property or no permit for anything will be issued. I've been told that our county has been sued by people buying homes that have always flooded during storms for extremely low prices and then, after they move in and their home floods again, have sued the city for their flooding problems. Anyway, if the person listed in the original post was in my area they'd be tearing everything down and paying fines. And for neighbors, even though I don't have any close, I had no less than 3 call the county to make sure I had proper permits during construction of this last barn!
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #64  
You may want to doublecheck your codes..
1* I'll bet there is flyspec language that states that you cannot build within the ROW without prior authorization.. and that includes fencing.. etc.
2*Local code enforcement here shuts down lots of road side stands and people selling stuff from the roadside.. not for lack of a sales permit.. but usually for being in the ROW.. I'm sure each municipality handles this slightly differently.. etc.. For instance.. many places require a permit for a yard sale!
soundguy
1*All I had to do to install the 110 feet of 15 inch culvert was obtain a permit from the state high way department.
2*My property is rural so the city has no jurisdiction out here.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #65  
You may want to doublecheck your codes.. I'll bet there is flyspec language that states that you cannot build within the ROW without prior authorization.. and that includes fencing.. etc.
soundguy
If such a policy was in effected or enforced here I couldn't even mow my front yard within 15 to 20 feet of the highway pavement.
Wouldn't that look great with 4 to 10 foot high weeds trees and brush growing all along the entire length of my front yard down by the road?
Couldn't see up or down the road when pulling out of my drive way either.
What a great safety feature that would be.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit
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#66  
I still cannot build a barn that is larger than my house unless it is specifically for agriculture use or I apply for a "variance". That variance is only granted after every property owner within 2 of me (people with land touching my land) receive notices of what I intend to do and when the county holds the public meeting to hear my reason for asking for said variance. If any of these people object, the permit could be denied if the county council agrees with their objection.


Welcome the peoples republic of Milwaukee! It is just like that in my area. Only my City Councilman got a variance for his pole barn (wonder why :))
Bob
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #67  
I guess I must be a bad person, I used to do all kinds of work about my homes without a permit just to see if I could get away with it. I find that three day holiday weekends are adequate for most jobs. I always did my work correctly. It was more of a game with me.

My best feat was replacing a single entry door with double doors in a municipality where you pretty much needed a permit to pass gas. Did that one in January with the area around the door covered with opauqe plastic film.

Those days are over now, people get a chuckle out of me when I ask if I need a permit where I am now.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #68  
What is it to you whether or not he has a permit? Does it encroach on your property or in your view? Leave him alone and let a guy use his property as he sees fit.
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit
  • Thread Starter
#69  
What is it to you whether or not he has a permit? Does it encroach on your property or in your view? Leave him alone and let a guy use his property as he sees fit.

Just to clarify things, I "have left him alone". I have not interfered with anything he is doing or will be doing. I don't plan on doing anything about his pole barn. I am just watching it all happen with the hope that he succeeds and if he does succeed I can do the same.

I want to build a bigger pole barn, but we are limited to 900 sq. ft. I would like to build a 2,000 sq. ft. pole barn, but the local gov won't allow it. But it is sillier than this (of course). I can build 3 x 900 sq. ft. pole barns, but I cannot build one 2700 sq ft pole barn:confused:

Don't you just love Government:)
 
   / Pole Barn with no permit #70  
If such a policy was in effected or enforced here I couldn't even mow my front yard within 15 to 20 feet of the highway pavement.
Wouldn't that look great with 4 to 10 foot high weeds trees and brush growing all along the entire length of my front yard down by the road?
Couldn't see up or down the road when pulling out of my drive way either.
What a great safety feature that would be.

Well..Like I said.. you had to get a permit!

soundguy
 

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