American made tractors?

[chh]

Amazing the tangents these threads take. I am amazed that it has not been locked down yet.

 

[kcook]

Amazing the tangents these threads take. I am amazed that it has not been locked down yet.

I agree, this thead has gone off the deep end, it needs to be locked!!

 

[Builder]

I agree, this thead has gone off the deep end, it needs to be locked!!

Why? What's the harm in discussing some of the huge hurdles we face with our economic crisis? You can only discuss the pros/cons of R-1 tires so many times.

 

[redneckford]

Why? What's the harm in discussing some of the huge hurdles we face with our economic crisis? You can only discuss the pros/cons of R-1 tires so many times.

Can we use the parts off those gulf stream jets to build some american made tractors with r-1, r-4 and any other tire you what!!!

 

[kcook]

Why? What's the harm in discussing some of the huge hurdles we face with our economic crisis? You can only discuss the pros/cons of R-1 tires so many times.

Why, "What compact and small utility tractors are made in the USA?
I think the 4000 and 5000 series john deers are made in Augusta, Georgia. What about New Holland or Case-International or MF or McCormick tractors, talking 40 to 50 hp range." this was the posted question. I believe we have gone off course of what the posted was asking. If we want to discuss our economic crisis we should start a new posting.

KC

 

[Builder]

Why, "What compact and small utility tractors are made in the USA?
I think the 4000 and 5000 series john deers are made in Augusta, Georgia. What about New Holland or Case-International or MF or McCormick tractors, talking 40 to 50 hp range." this was the posted question. I believe we have gone off course of what the posted was asking. If we want to discuss our economic crisis we should start a new posting.

KC

They are mostly made by japanese or Korean subcontractors. This has been beaten to death over & over in previous threads.

 

[redneckford]

They are mostly made by japanese or Korean subcontractors. This has been beaten to death over & over in previous threads.

I thought they were made in those big factory buildings in Ohio and sent to Asia for parcel assembly Or was that Waterloo!!

 

[Heywood Jannockitov]

Final assembly, and I mean FINAL assembly, not "buy someone elses tractor made overseas and slap tires and new badges on it, a la Montana et al, but where system integration and mating of major sub-assemblies occurs is where a tractor is "made". This is why John Deere is an "American built" tractor.

Now, I know this is more or less true depending on the model, but compare with any Kubota for example, whom many a poster here would wish us to believe is no more of a foreign make than Deere.

Are Kubota's cabs and drivetrains made in Waterloo Iowa like Deere? No. Deere makes transmissions in Kansas too. Are their loaders made in Welland Ont? No.
Does Kubota make engines in Mexico? (We're talking NAFTA here folks) - No.

If you want to disassemble the thing right down to the last nut and bolt to analyze where it all came from, well that wouldn't be easy.

Look at commercial aircraft production, the most out-sourced business out there. No one company can afford to develop an entire aircraft anymore without sharing development risk among suppliers. Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer - they all use pretty much the same global suppliers. Where final assembly occurs for each is where the aircraft is considered "built".

What tractor company can afford to develop an entire range of products from scuts to large ag equipment, and build every component themselves without resorting to the use of global suppliers, joint ventures or risk sharing partners? Sure there are components made off shore, but I still contend that JDs assembled in Augusta or Coffeyville are still more "American" than anything else you can buy on this continent.

 

[Heywood Jannockitov]

People do business with people I understand that!! But other ways of communications are available now----it is called the computer and web meetings etc.

We actually do alot of web-based live meetings now and my need to travel has been reduced for sure, but still not as good as being there in person for certain needs. Training, hardware instl. troubleshooting, process/systems analysis come to mind. Keep in mind also, there can be time zone issues. I don't think my guys in Bangalore would be too happy if I fired off a live meeting invite for after lunch. Oops, sorry, you guys are at home and in bed asleep! Forgot.

Why do we need so many plane rides everyday to do business with all this technology available.

Same reason the "Paperless society" hasn't materialized yet.
I bet you and most everyone else around here prefer to look at a physical shop manual then trying to navigate around an online pub. uploaded to a computer screen. Wanna rest that laptop on your chest and dump hydraulic oil on it while you lay under your tractor?
Anyway, why not? Toronto to Montreal in 1 hour and ten minutes - hangar door to hangar door, instead of a 5 to 6 hour drive. Did you know that a Bombardier Q400 turboprop (76 passenger) gets around 3 litres per 100 km per passenger fuel economy?
OK, so it costs 30 million, what's your point.
Sorry, someone get this thread back on topic, i can't.

 

[Builder]

What tractor company can afford to develop an entire range of products from scuts to large ag equipment, and build every component themselves without resorting to the use of global suppliers, joint ventures or risk sharing partners?

I think Kubota is the tractor company that may be closest to the one that builds everything in-house. They outsource very little.