Best Home Defense Rifle?

[sandman2234]

Kel-tec's version of the old Highstandard deringer wallet?Neat!!
I always wanted one of the wallets for my .22 mag deringer, but declined after finding out the were considered an AOW when the deringer was installed in it.
David from jax

 

[Soundguy]

As mentioned, I haven't, however, but for the first time in 8 years living down here, a couple of months ago I noticed a guy open carrying in a supermarket store. My one thought is if you're an LEO, guess you do have a right to verify the person open carrying is legal to own a sidearm. Can't speak for an LEO, but this may be a little more nerve racking than a traffic stop.

I know here in florida, pretty much if you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you are a ccw holder, good form is to hand yor ccw permit over with your license. That lets the LEO know that you are carrying.. and hopefully put his mind at ease. besides.. i bet that as soon as they run your tag before they approach your car.. they probably already know if you have a ccw anyway.

I got pulled over one time a couple ys ago for a lil above the limit on a quiet rural road.. handed over my ccw permit and dl/license.. then leo asked what i had for a carry gun.. told him what model of carry gun I had.. he mentioned he was interested in getting one like my model and asked if he could see it.. I unloaded it and handed it over.. he looked at it and we talked for a bit.. at which point he handed me all my stuff back and a wrote a warning and then as i was pulling out he already had another 'customer'. worked out good for me!

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I'm sorry , i overlooked your question . I have never been to the US , but have always wanted too . We have been saving for a holiday there next year . We have now decided to go to Scotland instead as it has been made quite clear in these couple of threads about guns that the US is not a safe destination . If the locals who know the areas won't go outside without a weapon , what chance would we have without one ? I guess i just did'nt believe it was that bad over there , i thought it was being exaggerated here .

The way i see it is:

Vacationing in a disarmed country: everybody is a potential helpless victom.


vacationing in an armed country: the chance arises that the guy next to you may be able to 'save the day and some innocent lives' by drawing his legal gun in self defense or defense of others... vs you all being victoms.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Kel-tec's version of the old Highstandard deringer wallet?Neat!!
I always wanted one of the wallets for my .22 mag deringer, but declined after finding out the were considered an AOW when the deringer was installed in it.
David from jax

I almost bought one of those ( class 3 ).. but spent my money elsewhere.

That's why i like the keltec and the form fitted 'case'.. it prints as a wallet.. yet is legal, as it is presented and is clearly a firearm.. no concealment of the fact that once drawn, it is a weapon.

soundguy

 

[DocHeb]

We have now decided to go to Scotland instead as it has been made quite clear in these couple of threads about guns that the US is not a safe destination.

Your loss. Luckily, there are a lot of pubs in Scotland, though, available for bar fights. I have never been in a bar fight, but when I eventually make it to Australia I will remember to stay out of the bars because some bloke might not like what I say or who I am and will "put me on my back."

I did live for three years, and went to school and trained for 11 years, in the Cass Corridor, a somewhat infamous blighted neighborhood in Detroit, Michigan. This is one of the cities often listed as the "most dangerous" on the media's incessant drama lists. I have never seen a gun in the open, although I think I did hear 2 gunshots once in those three years at 0300 one night. I worked in an inner city hospital for 12 years, and while I took care of numerous gunshot victims, there were just as deadly, and more frequent injuries from baseball bats and golf clubs (we euphimistically called these events "sporting injuries".) I have also learned, over the past 25 years, that there is little random violence in this city. It is primarily "business associate vs. business associate" and "gang vs. gang."

I have learned that your gun control measures in Australia have made little difference in the Australia murder rate. This peer-reviewed article found a [sarcasm] totally amazing and suprising fact [/sarcasm]: "But more than 90 per cent of firearms used to commit homicide were not registered, their users were not licensed and they had been unaffected by the firearms agreement." The criminals didn't turn in their guns - who would have imagined it??

I have learned that you are not a man of your word - I thought you were out of this discussion:

Originally Posted by Iron Horse: I swear this will be the last time i talk about your gun rights .

 

[Sigarms]

know here in florida, pretty much if you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you are a ccw holder, good form is to hand yor ccw permit over with your license. That lets the LEO know that you are carrying

In NC, it is required by law that if you have a CC permit and carrying a weapon, you are to inform the LEO ASAP that you are carrying a weapon. Anyway you look at it, law or no law, it's just plain common sense.

As for printing in summer.. it was for that very reason I got a 'wallet' styled holster and a small carry gun ( keltec .32acp ) it prints like a wallet, and doesn't have to be removed fromt he holster to be fired.. the top slide of the gun is 100% visible, so it is ATF legal.

Can I ask who the manufacturer is? (I might of missed it, apologies) Better yet, perhaps a pic I had a wallet holster, but needless say, when I had it, it could of gotten me into trouble due to the fact it was listed as "other prohibited devices". I'd be interested in seeing if they made a holster as you spoke of for a North American Arms .380

vacationing in an armed country: the chance arises that the guy next to you may be able to 'save the day and some innocent lives' by drawing his legal gun in self defense or defense of others... vs you all being victoms

Going by statistics, how many times has that exact same scenerio that you speak of happend in the U.S this year?

We have now decided to go to Scotland instead as it has been made quite clear in these couple of threads about guns that the US is not a safe destination.

With all due respect, that's a pretty narrow minded view on drawing your opinon on the U.S. by reading some online threads about guns on a tractor forum. I have done some travel abroad, and what I've found is that people, no matter from what country, are just that, people. The key is realize that when you are in another country, to respect the customs and people of that country and realize that you are a guest there (I have no doubt that you could pick some online forums from ANY country that could scare the living bejesus out of you about that country).

That said, no way would I ever want to get stuck in Camden or Newark New Jersey (one of the few times I was sincerely worried about my safety in the U.S, but it wasn't from law abiding gun owners), but for the most part, the U.S is pretty safe.

By chance, if you change your mind, my door is always open, and I'd be more than happy to give you suggestions on where to travel in the U.S (which has some AMAZING places and views to visit).

 

[cowboy357]

Quote ( By chance, if you change your mind, my door is always open, and I'd be more than happy to give you suggestions on where to travel in the U.S (which has some AMAZING places and views to visit). End Quote .

Well said Sig, Its Words & Thoughts like These that STILL make me Proud to be from this Great Country . Bob .

 

[Redbug]

Although I don't know for sure, in our population here in the US, I would imagine the number of guns carried verses the number of people on the street is probably pretty low. It depends on where you go. I have had my CCW permit for more than 15 years, but don't carry all that much. I am selective as to when and where.

I think we are giving Iron Horse a representation that's not really true for the US. To Iron Horse...Many, many people do not have guns. I feel our country is one of the safest nations to visit. As with any country, there are safe streets and dangerous streets. As a people, we are probably much like you. We are the most charitable nation there is. Guns aren't dripping off the trees and we are used to them much like you are used to cars. I think we have made too much of an issue about it with this thread, (shooting people and all that macho stuff), and in reality it's not that big of a deal to have just a simple gun or two. Me and my friends hunt a LOT. So guns are really just a tool that we use all the time.

 

[LMTC]

I'm sorry , i overlooked your question . I have never been to the US , but have always wanted too . We have been saving for a holiday there next year . We have now decided to go to Scotland instead as it has been made quite clear in these couple of threads about guns that the US is not a safe destination . If the locals who know the areas won't go outside without a weapon , what chance would we have without one ? I guess i just did'nt believe it was that bad over there , i thought it was being exaggerated here .

By all means, Scotland.

"The WHO report follows a United Nations report last week which said Scotland was the most violent country in the developed world:"
"Another study from the University of California, to be published later this year, will claim Scotland has a higher homicide rate than America, Israel, Uzbekistan, Chile and Uruguay." The Guardian from the UK

Looks like you're still spot on with your opinions. Sorry, but at this point I am chuckling a little bit. You might want to actually research you're next choice for holiday.

 

[jaybrad]

I think Iron Horse has it right.

The US is a very dangerous place to be, and Maine is among the most dangerous of them all. Especially along the coast and on rolling inland property, and it's even worse if you have more than 30 acres or so.

The only safe thing to do is to pack up, sell your property at rock bottom prices, and move to a safer location.

Now, being the philanthropic person that I am, I will be happy to assist in your move to safety and take that life-threatening property off your hands at just a little above rock bottom prices.

No need to thank me. I'm just happy to help.