#1 Reason I love IR Cameras

[Tororider]

Yeah, neighbors are nice. We are lucky to have some good ones at our property. They even chased a guy, who happened to be a family friend looking for us.

We have a local kid, probably 14-15 years old who apparently has gotten himself into some trouble with the neighbors. Before we knew this, my dad gave him permission to "walk his dog on our property". A couple days later we were working out there and he came by and kind of sheepishly said "So are those cameras back there on your property?". I have a couple game cameras, most of which I don't keep fresh batteries in often enough to catch game, not that he knew that. Anyways I said, oh yeah, I have lots of cameras around here. Needless to say he hasn't been on the property anymore.

Not sure about JB's property, but depending on how rural neighbors may be non-existent. But I wouldn't be against a very sturdy, and well cemented gate and some well placed piles of dirt.

 

[studor]

That burl could have been worth quite a bit of money depending on wood type,amount of flaws etc -- like more than enough to pay for the gates
Given the distance to your property along now deeded access, I would stick a dead end sign at the beginning of the road and a bunch of no access without landowner permission signs at the start of your property. That way there is no dispute that someone was "just transiting on an unopened road"
I'd also be putting in metal posts in concrete with a locked gate. One of my neighbours used 12 " cedar posts buried 5 ft in the ground (big backhoe!!) they were a little hollow in the center so he drove scrap t bars into them -- you never know who might have a chainsaw -- JMHO
regards
Steve

 

[Ridgewalker]

OK, dumb question time, what the heck is a burl and what would it be used for ?

 

[SnowRidge]

OK, dumb question time, what the heck is a burl and what would it be used for ?

Here is a good explanation.

 

[EddieWalker]

What's the old saying? good fences make good neighbors, or something like that.

The Forest Service in every National Forest that I've been in, and I've been in them all over the Western half of the country, has gates made of pipe that are bullet proof. They sink a big steel pipe in the ground that's probably a 6 incher. Then they build a gate that is welded to that pipe of smaller pipe in the four inch range. Just a straight pipe across the road with a support pipe below it that angles up to the other pipe. It's heavy, but simple. Then the lock is enclosed in a thick steel box that you can only get to from the bottom. Sometimes I've seen them recessed into the big pipe, but those are usually even bigger then six inches.

These gates are used on public land where hunting is legal. Everyone has a gun and they are all pretty much road hunters, which means they want to drive down that road very badly. If the gate was open, it would be legal for them to do so. If the lock was shot off or there was a way to open that gate, then it would just be simple to say it was like that when they drove past it.

They are not pretty gates, but they are effective. If you want to keep them out, then it's just a matter of going big and going strong. Of course, they can always cut the pipe with a cordless sawzall or small torch, but that will mean they are out there, exposed for a period of time. Most criminals don't like to be doing these things where they can get caught or be in the open.

It would probably be a good place to put a game cam too.

Sucks to have to deal with people like that, but until they get caught, they tend to keep doing things that they have gotten away with before.

What's funny is that so many of them are regular guys with jobs and families that would through the biggest tizzy fit if anybody did something on there land, or in their yard. But since it's a piece of land that they have trespassed on for so long, they don't even think they are breaking any law,or that they have some self created right to be there.

Hope it all works out for you,
Eddie

 

[john_bud]

I do have signs at the start of the easement road. The easement land is in MFL or Managed Forest Land. The owner gets tax breaks, but has to allow public use. They DON'T have to allow motorized vehicular traffic. In fact, the owners don't want any unauthorized motor vehicles. I got permission to place signs that say that. They have been fairly effective.

The direction that the trespassers come from is NOT from that access point. It is from a neighbor (the one that sings). The trespassers are in fact the neighbors and relatives of the neighbors.

 

[Flatheadyoungin]

Of course, they can always cut the pipe with a cordless sawzall Eddie

when i was reading your post, i was thinking of that......

there is a large pc of land behind my house that MANY people use as their own.......anyway, there was a nice gate like you speak of installed...it wasn't a week and it was cut in two......this was before the gamecame days..

i'll tell ya, as word spread about game cams, it'll make people really think about crossing ground without permission......

there is a fella that puts out game cams on my property (with my permission) and i feel a little funny walking around my own ground knowing they are out there.......he's supposed to give me some copies of the bucks he's got pics of and i know if he gets someone's pic that seems to be suspicious, he'll let me know.....that's why i don't mind having them on my ground....

 

[kthompson]

Nails, moats, logging debris etc??? Sorry, aside from not being my style, those things will just lead to escalation and more issues even problems with the laws. I won't become what I am trying to eliminate.

I will try and have the road hunters barred by the courts from getting within xxxx yards (I would try for 1000!), have the courts confiscate the guns used during the commission of the crimes (road hunting), confiscate the truck used while committing said crime, try to get civil damages (law allows for $250-1100 per incident) and try to get the criminals hunting/fishing/trapping priveleges revoked for 5-10 years.

jb

In my opinion you really misread my comments. I did not suggest the digging of ditch across a road or the use of nails. If you really were looking for low cost effective method to control the traffic a tree trunk or tree top (logging debris) that would require a tractor would seem reasonable since the cable did not and you don't want the cost of a gate.

I had rather block their access to begin with then find myself sitting across form them in court with pictures asking the judge to take their guns, truck and then fine them. Boy that will make good friends and they are family of a neighbor?

It seems the attitude of punishing them in court is what is desired. That is legal and go for it. Then I don't live there nor worry about people who make the Hatfields look like Church elders. Be sure to install more cameras to protect what they may feel is justifiable pay back. They will have no problem finding out how and who.

If you really don't want to step to their level then do what is right to begin with, talk with them. They are family of your neighbor, right? I have adjoining property that belongs to just as sorry person, yet we have no problem due to simple polite and decent conversation. Have had to call another neighbor regarding one if his family members and handled that with a polite how are you and here is why I am calling before it becomes a problem.

 

[SnowRidge]

What's the old saying? good fences make good neighbors, or something like that.

The Forest Service in every National Forest that I've been in, and I've been in them all over the Western half of the country, has gates made of pipe that are bullet proof. They sink a big steel pipe in the ground that's probably a 6 incher. Then they build a gate that is welded to that pipe of smaller pipe in the four inch range. Just a straight pipe across the road with a support pipe below it that angles up to the other pipe. It's heavy, but simple. Then the lock is enclosed in a thick steel box that you can only get to from the bottom. Sometimes I've seen them recessed into the big pipe, but those are usually even bigger then six inches.

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Here are pics of a couple of similar gates:

 

[Tororider]

You could even fill the pipes with cement to make their work even harder to cut through it.