Mike Vick's dogs, where are they now?

[Lasgambler]

On a Lighter Note,

Sigarms, We have a whole pack of Aussies. Daddy, Mother, and Three pups, they will be 1 human year old 2/13/09. The little girl looks just like the one posted in your first picture. We also have two adopted shelter dogs. They are great companions.
Terry
P.S. My avatar is one of the pups Burnt Mountain Auggie Doggie

 

[Sigarms]

I'm not going to call out any names but please stop talking about chihuahuas and such, they don't kill children when they snap out of fear.

Still does not change the fact that they snapped. Only difference is that they may not kill. That said, any dog snaps at me, my first reaction would be to destroy it, be it a chihuahua or bully breed.

The biggest "unfortunate" is they happen to be the preferred breed of bad dog owners across America

On that, we agree 100%.

don't own any dogs right now but suppose I did. Suppose I load up the kids and 2 golden retrievers to go to the park and run and catch frisbee. Now what if the guy cruzin the park has 2 bullydogs in the back of his truck. They see my dogs and they jump out and come maul my dogs. What would you do if you were in my shoes???? Sit there and say thats "unfortunate". Personnaly, I like a high quality 34" softball bat.

Again, I agree with you 100% (on the 34" baseball bat). Personally, riding around with dogs in the back of an open pick up bed shows some irresponsibility.

About 50 miles from here, 3 jumped over a short fence and mauled a lady mowing on a Snapper. Unfortunately, the owner couldn't be taken to someone else's dog pens and penned up with them so he could see firsthand what these dogs are capable of. Plus, I don't think he had any insurance to cover the dogs' liability.

Could you please list the name and date of this occurance? At least that way, I could look at the events in question and the breed. I'm not defending the dogs actions, but trying to understand the circumstances. We can sometimes go back to the "bad dog owners" or some sort of stimulous. You'd be surprised that some children can tease chained up dogs (not saying this is the case, but it has happened before in the past).

At least with guns, there are laws that bad people can't possess them. So don't compare this subject to guns

Why? I sincerely think that there should be laws that bad people should not have the right to own a bully breed (just like firearms).

That said, with the overpopulation of unwanted pets, I'm not a big fan of breeding any dog for money and perhaps more stricter laws should be imposed when it comes to pet ownership.

However, as I mentioned before, if you don't need a state license for having kids, why for dogs?

 

[Sigarms]

Sigarms, We have a whole pack of Aussies. Daddy, Mother, and Three pups, they will be 1 human year old 2/13/09. The little girl looks just like the one posted in your first picture

Any chance that they are a little high strung?

 

[Lasgambler]

Any chance that they are a little high strung?

They are a lot of fun, Keep us in stitches all the time. They have several acres to play and work, and spoiled to the MAX!!!
Terry

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

You have some gall Sig, why would you say "the only difference is that they may not kill" referring to Chihuahuas. I guess I've found the end of the rope trying to converse with you about this subject. ASK SOMEONE WHO'S KID HAS BEEN KILLED BY A BAD DOG BUT PLEASE DON'T ASK THEM TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SNAP AND DEATH.

Here is the link by the way. This case had far reaching details. not enough of a law was completed apparently.

DOG BITE LAW - The Lillian Stiles case (Texas v. Hernandez)

There should be laws against ownership. People need to study and understand pack mentality and then throw in the reasons why these dogs just go crazy on top of that. A small % of people can responsibly own these dogs. That said, a small % of the population can be trusted with dynomite. Like Bird kind of said, why would you want to own these if you are a responsible person? There are far better pets to have. I'd rather have a cat than a bully dog.

 

[Sigarms]

You have some gall Sig, why would you say "the only difference is that they may not kill" referring to Chihuahuas.

My point being that aggression is still aggression. Another point is that since the wounds can be minimal with such a small dog as a Chihuahua, that is one reason why people tend to ignore the aggression of the animal and think it's no big deal. When that lady's dog bit me, she happend to mentioned that it wasn't a big deal and it happens all the time. Personally, if any dog that I own shows aggression towards a human, it will be dealt with and that behavior will not be tolerated. Gets back to the irresponsible pet owners. Personally, I'd not only like to punt the dog, but the owner as well.

Like Bird kind of said, why would you want to own these if you are a responsible person?

Did you read my response to Bird as to why I have a terrier?

Read up on the breed. They actually do make good pets in the hands of responsible pet owners.

Are you inlcuding dobermans and others as well, or only the Terrier breed?

From your link

Hernandez testified that he had no idea his animals were capable of such brutality. He admitted none of his animals had ever been seen by a veterinarian and hadn't been vaccinated.

Number one, since none of his animals have NEVER been seen by a vet, I going to haphazzard a guess and say he probably is a irresponsible pet owner to begin with. Rabies vac should at least be the minimum for any dog, and the department of health would have that on file with whoever admin the shot. I say with sarcasim that a dogs owner would never lie as to the behavior of their pet when it comes to court. It is however hard to lie against a paperwork trail.

I'd also wonder how much socialization the animals actually had with humans due to their caged captivity (perhaps I missed that in the link). General rule of thumb with ANY dog is that if chained or caged during most of the day without interaction, the "shorter" the fuse of dynamite per your anology.

Personally, I'd find Hernandez guilty, and I would hope that he'd never have the chance to own another dog, period. However, I doubt that is, or will be the case.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I know about the breed. My buddy keeps and shows anywhere from 3-9 dogs at any one time. He has won national level shows with them. They are crazy expensive.

BTW, his "house" dogs are a small terrier and a chihuahua. He knows which he can trust around his 4 month old boy. The bigger dogs stay kennelled. He is a responsible owner.

Everyweek when you tell him about another horror story he has one word he uses for the bad owners. "Idiots"

 

[frank_f15]

Good evening SIG. IMHO you are WRONG on AT LEAST 2 counts

1) have never read where any child or person was ever mauled OR KILLED by a CHIHUAHUA.. pit bulls are dangerous

2) why do you think that because Bird is a moderator he should not be able to join a discussion and post his views?

AS fas as i am concerned case closed , twist my comments any way you wish, but you will still be wrong!!!!!!

 

[Sigarms]

Good evening Frank

1) have never read where any child or person was ever mauled OR KILLED by a CHIHUAHUA.. pit bulls are dangerous

Where did I say a Chihuahua has ever mauled or killed a person? My point was that aggressive behavior can more often than naught, be found in the smaller dogs.

2) why do you think that because Bird is a moderator he should not be able to join a discussion and post his views?

As per this "discussion", to stay unbiased.

AS fas as i am concerned case closed , twist my comments any way you wish, but you will still be wrong!!!!!!

Funny, have I told anyone that they were wrong? I'd like to think I have an open mind.

Everyweek when you tell him about another horror story he has one word he uses for the bad owners. "Idiots"

And I would agree 100% with your friend. Personally, I'd go with heafty fines as well as jail time.

BTW, his "house" dogs are a small terrier and a chihuahua. He knows which he can trust around his 4 month old boy

Likewise, when small children are visiting, we have a protocall to follow with the animals.

He is a responsible owner

Likewise, I would like to think the same of myself.

For the record, I've also had some "in depth" discussions online with people who own "aggressive" breeds and how they handle them (lack of training or not having basic procedures when guest are over).

You may notice I may have some gall, however, for the most part, I'm agreeing with you.

 

[tallyho8]

My comments are not aimed at anyone in particular, but just as an observation by someone who has owned, bred, hunted with, competed with and trained dogs of many breeds for over 50 years.

Labs are bred to retrieve. Without any previous training, I have seen lab puppies as young as 10 weeks retrieve an object a person threw and bring it back to them. Even with extensive training it is about impossible to get a lab to openly tree a coon.

Coon hounds are bred to track and tree coons and I have seen coon hounds as young as 10 weeks old track and tree. I have never been able to teach my coon hounds to retrieve properly.

Beagles are bred to run rabbits and without any training I have seen many young beagles run rabbits.

"In my opinion" breeding is more important in determining a dog's actions and abilities than training is. Training can merely improve a dogs natural bred abilities.

If a dog is bred to fight, the most natural thing for him to do is to ?????

After Katrina flooded people out in New Orleans and the Humane society had to go into the lower ninth ward and other bad neighborhoods and rescue dogs, can you guess what breed far outnumbered all the others that were left to fend for themselves?

Do the drug dealers really keep this breed around as a pet for their children?

Let me reword the phrase: "There are no bad dogs, just bad breeders."

If a dog has been properly bred for some purpose, no amount of training will ever completely erase that purpose from that dog's mind and eventually, someday, sometime, something may trigger him to execute the purpose he was bred for.

With proper breeding, after many generations, a dog that was bred for one purpose could eventually be bred for a different purpose but if others were still breeding that dog for its original purpose than how would someone who came across one of these dogs know which breeding he was or what he was likely to someday do?

There is no law in the United States to stop anyone from breeding fighting dogs, but for the sake of these dogs and many innocent maimed people, I wish there was.