Ford 2009 V-10

[Builder]

About a month ago I bought a New '08 F550 dump with the 6.4L TBD & 5-speed Allison auto with 5.88 rear end. I get about 9.4 unloaded and 9.1 loaded. Are you folks suggesting the 6.4 is junk and to be replaced in 2-yrs?

David

That's great but your transmission isn't made by Allison, my friend.

I think you probably have 4.88's, not 5.88's.

The 6.4L isn't junk, but most other than the Ford loyal would agree, a 2 year run on a diesel engine is a disservice to the Ford buyer.

Welcome to the site, BTW. Hopefully your fuel economy will improve with break-in.

 

[jcmseven]

dsgsr,

Your truck is not junk. It has a solid engine and chassis. Ford likely will go to the "scorpion" 6.7L diesel in 2010 and the 6.4L will cease production. It is a solid engine and I think will serve you well in that chassis.

nmu98, you make a good point. I have 5200 on my truck right now, we will have to see in the next 10,000. My friend has a 2007 model with 30,000 on it and it is similarly tight. I hope it stays this way, but we just don't know.

John M

 

[Diamondpilot]

About a month ago I bought a New '08 F550 dump with the 6.4L TBD & 5-speed Allison auto with 5.88 rear end. I get about 9.4 unloaded and 9.1 loaded. Are you folks suggesting the 6.4 is junk and to be replaced in 2-yrs?

David

I am guess it has the Ford Torque Shift Tranny, not a Allison. Its a good tranny with a good reputation and I can tell you from personal experience with my 2 diesels its tough. I have over 500HP in both trucks and its not missed a beat. Cant say that about some of the others tranny offerings.

Not sure about the rear end gearing but 5.88 seems awful low. I am guessing its 4.88. I have seen them in Fords before.

Chris

 

[Builder]

Ford doesn't use Allison transmission until they get to the F-650/750.

That's about the 10th fordie I've run into that insisted their Superduty "has an Allison in it". I even had to teach one up by actually sliding under his truck with him and showing him it had a 5 speed Ford transmission in it.

He was madder than a wet hen when he found out it wasn't an Allison. He said he "ordered it special from Ford with an Allison in it".

Another guy from my own framing crew has an F-250 with a V-10 and told me there's "an order code on the Ford website with a special option for an Allison transmission upgrade from the Torqslift tranny". I told him there's no such upgrade. 250-550 is all the same automatic transmission.

 

[Dargo]

I am guess it has the Ford Torque Shift Tranny, not a Allison.

I'm perfectly content with the Torque Shift as opposed to an mini Alice. My neighbor has a Ferris ZTR with a Cat diesel in it. He speaks of it as if it's a D11, similar to the transmission stretches. I just go "wow, cool". Whatever makes you happy is what's best for you.

 

[Hematite]

I'm perfectly content with the Torque Shift as opposed to an mini Alice. My neighbor has a Ferris ZTR with a Cat diesel in it. He speaks of it as if it's a D11, similar to the transmission stretches. I just go "wow, cool". Whatever makes you happy is what's best for you.

Yes, the power of some peoples imagination is amazing, isn't it!

 

[dsgsr]

You folks are correct. My 550 has the Torqshift 5-speed and the 4.88 gears with the limited slip. Guess I should stop listening to the local shade-tree mechanics about the tranny being a re-named Allison

David

 

[Builder]

You folks are correct. My 550 has the Torqshift 5-speed and the 4.88 gears with the limited slip. Guess I should stop listening to the local shade-tree mechanics about the tranny being a re-named Allison

David

It's OK. You're not the only Ford guy that needed help understanding what's underneath his truck. Happens to GM & Dodge guys, too.

Here's an interesting article with an automatic transmission shaft size comparison at the bottom. Information is a powerful resource to help us all make good decisions!

http://www.ci.soldotna.ak.us/archive/archive_pdf/2006/2006%20Resolutions/06RES019.pdf

 

[RobJ]

Uhhhh, I don't own a chevy, but my last gas truck trade in was my '89 F-150 4x4 with 110,000 miles on it. Dealer gave me a whopping $1,100 for it as a trade on a gas powered truck I bought in '05. Then I traded my '99 Ford Superduty diesel in '07 on another new diesel truck and the dealer gave me $10,000.

What are you expecting out of a 20 yo trade? But you can't value a "trade in" by the dollar they give you for it. If you are trading in on new or something else the dealers value the financing, price of a new car, etc. Even the undercoating! Can't just go by a number.

If you got $10,000 for trade on one, but piad the full price, out of one pocket and into the other. I know but that didn't happen, you paid $38 for a new 07 SD.

And I'm pretty sure you owned a Dmax in the last year or so to not split hairs, do I need to look it up. I don't keep up with what Builder drives this week.

 

[RobJ]

Thanks for the encouragement Dargo. Nothing left but the payments now. 8K less than a diesel. { Had to throw that in there and it felt good.}In all honesty, if I had the need and tow everyday it would be worth the extra $$$ to get a diesel. I would pay all the extra for the oil changes etc and purr down the road. I traded in my 2005 F250 with the 5.4 and it only had 25K on it. If I bought a diesel the injectors and cylinders would gum up because it wouldn't get hot enough after each short trip I take before I shut it off. That was my reasoning for buying my V-10....Pretty smoooth and quieeeeeeet too. Just having some fun here and nothing personal.

Exactly, there are a lot of us that "get it". My little 5000# tow comes home twice a year. 250 miles round trip. $7-8k more for a little more of this and a little more of that is not worth it. If I knew the 5.4 would get me a couple more MPG, I'd take that motor. My truck gets driven 10 miles each day...round trip...to a park in ride!