well-drilling with PTO??? anybody?

BryanM · Jun 27, 2009

First let me say what a great thread on well drilling which I have considered trying on some new property that I have.

Has any one seen the web page on the Hydra-Drill? It looks like a giant drill press but instead of an electric motor driving the drill it has a gas 6hp motor sitting on a frame that hooks too a drill stem and then too a bit.

And this got me thinking about making my own frame and mounting a motor in the same way and drilling my own irrigation well. Their are a few holes in my idea, what to use for a drill stem?, do I need too wash or flush the hole for grindings? what too use for casing?

Are wells are averaging between50 to 75 ft, I was told this by a local driller. And would be drilling in clay at least for the first few feet, after that I dont know?

Has anyone drilled a well yet? and what about drilling fluid? My mind is going a million mph! Like I dont have enough projects going on!

ultrarunner · Jun 27, 2009

BryanM said:
First let me say what a great thread on well drilling which I have considered trying on some new property that I have.

Has any one seen the web page on the Hydra-Drill? It looks like a giant drill press but instead of an electric motor driving the drill it has a gas 6hp motor sitting on a frame that hooks too a drill stem and then too a bit.

And this got me thinking about making my own frame and mounting a motor in the same way and drilling my own irrigation well. Their are a few holes in my idea, what to use for a drill stem?, do I need too wash or flush the hole for grindings? what too use for casing?

Are wells are averaging between50 to 75 ft, I was told this by a local driller. And would be drilling in clay at least for the first few feet, after that I don't know?

Has anyone drilled a well yet? and what about drilling fluid? My mind is going a million mph! Like I dont have enough projects going on!

I've seen a home made rig made from the rails of an old forklift and have thought about what it would take.

Drilling Fluid??? The few sells I've seen drilled around here were drilled without any water or sealing fluid... most are around 130' deep. Maybe some types of stratus don't require drilling fluid?

tractorman99 · Jul 12, 2009

http://www.hydra-jett.com/1573687.html

Enter · Jul 31, 2009

tractorman99 said:
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J_J · Aug 1, 2009

The original poster has not been on the forum since his first post. That was his 1 and only post. Don't even know what part of the country he lives. He mentioned water for irrigation. A lot of shallow wells can provide plenty of volume for irrigation. The depth of a shallow well is about 25 ft. That is about the depth a shallow well pump can draw. The way they put in a shallow well here is to jet down a 2 in PVC pipe. He usually goes through two sand layers and one hard-pan and stops before the second if it is around 25 to 30 ft. He sometimes puts a sand filter on a 1 1/4 in PVC pipe and drop it into the 2 in , and put a gas pump on it and run it for about an 30 min. If the volume remains constant, he then pulls the 2 in pipe out and grouts around the 1 1/4 in pipe, and is essentially finished, unless you want him to sell you and hook up a 1/2 or 3/4 HP pump with small tank just for irrigation. He left mine as opened bottom, no sand filter. After pumping for 30 min, there was no sand in the water. I installed my own 1 HP pump, with valves and digital timer for a complete irrigation system. I take the bottom plug out of the pump every winter, and pull the breaker. Works good for me.

bx24 · Aug 3, 2009

J_J said:
I installed my own 1 HP pump, with valves and digital timer for a complete irrigation system. I take the bottom plug out of the pump every winter, and pull the breaker. Works good for me.

JJ

What did it run for your pump setup? (ish) I think I could do the well part (I think it would be fun), but after some quick searches on sprinkler pumps, I have no idea what I would expect to pay for the pump end of things. The water table by me is only about 6-8 feet down so I would expect a 20-25' well should do nicely ... but then again, I am clueless on this topic!

Scotty370 · Aug 3, 2009

Enter- Tell us a little about youself, or fill out your profile! Two posts in almost a year? Sounds like you've got something to offer the group, just not in such large doses! Am I reading a Russian, or Rumanian site?

~Scotty

J_J · Aug 4, 2009

bx24 said:
JJ

What did it run for your pump setup? (ish) I think I could do the well part (I think it would be fun), but after some quick searches on sprinkler pumps, I have no idea what I would expect to pay for the pump end of things. The water table by me is only about 6-8 feet down so I would expect a 20-25' well should do nicely ... but then again, I am clueless on this topic!

bx24,

If you are asking about the complete 4 zone sprinkler setup, that would be about $1600, if someone installed it for you. You should be able to do it for about half of that figure, considering your labor. If you used manual valves, would be even less. PVC is easy to work with. Home Depot sells the PVC setup to put on a 2 in PVC sch 40 pipe and jet the 2 in PVC pipe down. You need to figure out the layers of sand and hard pan, and set the bottom just above the second hard-pan. Some use a foot valve and filter, some use open pipe. After you have pumped out most of the fine sugar sand, you should be OK. Seal everything good, even a small vacuum leak will cause trouble.

At your water depth, just about any shallow well pump would work. The size of the pump depends mostly on the area you are trying to cover. If say for example it takes 5 rotating heads at 3 GPM each, including line losses, you would need about 20 GPM pump. You can lay out your property on paper with a protractor, or use a computer cad program, or find one of the Rain-bird, or Toro, brochures at Home Depot and fill in the info, and send it in, and they will tell you what you need.

Enter · Sep 30, 2009

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Qapla · Oct 2, 2009

Carl_NH said:
1. Irrigation / Sprnkler systems need typically .8 GPM per head depending on the nozzle for the rotating heads and the " fixed fan" type use even more per head due to the low resistance and high flow of these nozzles. So "rule of thumb" is 5-6 heads max per zone of any type. This equates to roughly 6 GPM @ 40 PSI average so you need a pump that generates 8-10 GPM @ 40 PSI and a well generating 8 GPM or a deep enough reserve suppy to support the outflow.

Not sure where these specs come from ... however, I install irrigation systems ... not the 12" wells with 125 hp pumps used in large farms. I install systems used in homes, apartments, condos and we have done more than one horse pasture.

Here are some specs:

Water used for irrigation is figured for a delivery of 5' per second. With this in mind, here are the flow rates for pipe sizes (gallons per minute)

1/2" - 6 gpm
3/4" - 12 gpm
1" - 18 gpm
1 1/4" - 26 gpm
1 1/2" - 35 gpm
2" - 55 gpm

These are not absolute, but the rule of thumb that are used for designing the system.

As for the spray/rotor heads, they depend on the nozzle installed. If you are going to use spay heads (some people call them misters) the gallon usage depends on the coverage area. a 12' quarter circle only uses about .25 gpm while a 15' full circle uses nearly 4gpm.

Most standard rotors (these are the ones that spray a stream in one direction while the rotate back and forth) come with a 3gmp nozzle, but these can be changed. The slap type rotors typically use more water that the rotor type.

Sprays and rotors should NOT be piped on the same zone as the precipitation rate is different.

The irrigation valves come in all the pipe sizes and can often be piped one size down from the pipe size (typically a 1" valve is cheaper that a 3/4" valve - go figure).

Any number of heads can be used one a single zone as long as the gpm does not exceed the pipe size. For example, 6 rotors with standard nozzles (3 gpm) would work just fine on 1" pipe. The same pipe size could handle 9 rotors if the nozzles were reduced to 2gpm or only 3 rotors if the nozzles were 5gpm.

The system should be designed so that the pump does NOT cycle during the watering period. It should run the entire time the system is watering.

Although spray heads should not exceed 40 psi (30 is standard - after 50 or so they begin to mist and not spray), rotors work just fine at 50 - 70 psi.

Properly piped, rotors should be able to cover 30 - 45 feet. They should be placed to cover head to head using offset rows to cover large areas.

Hope this helps.