2 hydro pumps vs 1 (Cub Cadet) vs (Kubota)

[CHDinCT]

I noticed the dual pumps in the SC2400 specs plus I think it also says it has position control. Like the other replies here, I've never noticed any power steering issues, not even a fleeting bump in the steering wheel, but maybe I haven't hit that perfect storm yet.

From my perspective, as a new to the market SCUT make, the CC/Yanmar is offering a few additional features than normal in this size tractor to try to gain some market share. If they expect to gain sales, they have to offer something more than the competition or sell for a lower price, or both. The fact is they're new to the market and don't have a track record to offer potential customers.

Just keep in mind dealer and manufacturer support for things like warranty work and parts, and even resale value. Compare what that's worth to you vs the extra features of the CC/Yanmar. If you have an issue with your CC/Yanmar dealer, how close is the next dealer or two to you? Can you count on CC/Yanmar to stay in this market over the course of your ownership experience? I'm not saying they won't be around, just that you have to weight that against all the other pluses and minuses. Good luck in your tractor hunt.

 

[actionaj]

I to have never lost power steering on my 2350. Even while using the loader and three point hitch at the same time.

 

[BXRICK]

If two pump-tractors start selling better than two pump tractors, it's only a matter of time before someone uses three pumps so all the spec sheet comparisons show them as "best". Because three pumps is obviously better than two pumps.

 

[LBrown59]

If two pump-tractors start selling better than two pump tractors, it's only a matter of time before someone uses three pumps so all the spec sheet comparisons show them as "best". Because three pumps is obviously better than two pumps.

(Kubota) = no Contest.

 

[LBrown59]

I've never had a problem with my BX2350. The only thing I've notice is some feed back in the steering wheel on occasion. Say I raise the deck and when it bottoms out and the pump goes into relief, I will feel a slight bump in the steering wheel, but no loss of power steering. *In my opinion, it is a non issue dreamed up as a sales gimmick.

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HA the CC hain't even in the running.

 

[LBrown59]

Even though I am mostly convinced that the BX tractor is the way I want to go and have heard nothing negative (thanks to all the input on this forum), I still decided to visit my local Cub Cadet Yanmar dealer. He has a model SC 2400, 24 hp diesel with loader and MMM, which is identical to what I want with a BX 2360 or 2660 model. The customer rep was at the dealer and when I told him what I was looking for and comparing too, he began to explain their *leg up on Kubota with 2 hydraulic pumps and how that I can use all the implements fully and not be concerned about loss of use in any area due to hydraulic pressure. OK, I admit I'm a novice about all this tractor stuff even though I do understand hydraulics. But he told a story about a man testing a tractor out at a show that owned several Kubotas. He loved the machine and liked them better than Kubota because when he uses is BX for loader work (i.e cleaning out horse stalls) he hates that sometimes he loses power steering temporarily due to the loading and pressure needed to operate the loader. One pump trying to do everything vs 2 pumps on the Cub.

Any opinions on this or should I be the least bit concerned? Does this happen?

Leg up , what leg up it's not even a leg to stand on.

 

[LBrown59]

If two pump-tractors start selling better than two pump tractors,

If two pump-tractors start selling better than three pump tractors,

 

[rScotty]

If two pump-tractors start selling better than two pump tractors, it's only a matter of time before someone uses three pumps so all the spec sheet comparisons show them as "best". Because three pumps is obviously better than two pumps.

What a great idea! A separate pump for the 3pt, power steering, and loader! . Could we use 4 pumps?

Seriously, it's lucky that all these pumps and valves are fantastically reliable regardless of the manufacturer. Most tractors have one pump...but when they do have two pumps, they seem to use one to drive the power steering separately so that both PS and 3pt can work simultaeously at low engine rpm. Farmers needed to work the steering hard and lift the plow at the end of each row right when they were also throttling down to make the turn - usually also locking one wheel brake. For that they need lots of flow at low rpm. That means either two small pumps in open center Ag hydraulic systems or another way to solve the problem is with a closed center hydraulic system and an accumulator.

Or of course they and you can use the low-tech solution to the flow problem and just keep the engine rpms up when using two devices at once. Hydraulically, there is nothing wrong with doing it that way.

I've had all these systems and they all have strong and weak points. IMHO, the multi-pump or closed center systems work better but also add complexity and expense.

I wouldn't initially base my decision on that point unless one of the makes had some sort of issue....But I might end up doing so because I'm one of the guys who likes to run my diesels at low rpm. It's just my preference. And if that is also your preference then the CC would be worth another look. Having Yanmar engine is also a plus for any tractor. JD proved that.
rScotty
Kubota M59, JD530 Ag, various Yanmars

 

[MDM]

I don't the what the salesman said has any real merit. That said, I would not hesitate to look closely at the Cub/Yanmar. I'm a Kubota fan, but it is no secret that that Yanmar has been making rock solid compacts and scuts for alot of years now.

 

[Bamacummins]

. I guess your still waiting to sell house before purchasing your Kubota. Visit more branded dealers and see what each one tells you why their product is better than all the other tractors. It can help you kill time till you buy.

You're right, John, just killing time until I can purchase. But, I thought it would still be good to shop around just to be sure although I'm pretty convinced at this point. I usually research these things almost to the point of exhaustion, but it is fun knowing I will purchase one soon. It was just something that got my attention when he mentioned the pumps so I knew this would bring the responses on. And as I expected most of the folks say it isn't an issue with Kubota. Thanks again for all the input, you guys are making it easy for me to decide.