Hydro's and brake pedals

[TripleR]

Sorry about the double response, but just realized that operators without hydrostatic drive may not realize that the tractor slows/stops as you release pressure on the hydrostatic control pedal. On my Kubota the brake pedals are located immediately above the control pedal, but they are rarely needed. If the need should arise to have both forward movement and an expedited turn radius, the control pedal can be used in combination with one of the split pedals to accelerate the turn.

I was a big fan of split brakes until 4WD came along. Now I use it mostly when using the front bucket to smooth gravel while backing-up, or near an edge in slippery terrain conditions. Kind of like doing the hokey-pokey and shaking it all about:laughing:.

JC

When your life flashes before your eyes, make sure you have plenty to watch :thumbsup:

Couldn't you use the "cruise control" instead of the foot operated HST and use your split brakes? I don't bother with split brakes on a 4WD either and just keep them locked together.

When I transitioned from a 2WD to a 4WD, all I managed when using split brakes was to drag a tire, tear up the ground and effect the turning radius only marginally if at all.

I pretty much agree with your first post, being and old codger myself. I don't have much use of my left leg and have had to "multitask" for many, many years.

 

[patrick_g]

Couldn't you use the "cruise control" instead of the foot operated HST and use your split brakes?

Not on my Kubota as it is designed and built to release the cruise setting if you apply the brakes. Think about it! Would you want the cruise to keep you going while yo were using the brakes to try to stop (in most normal situations.) Not saying a way to override might not be handy once in a blue moon but it is not built in to my Grand L4610HSTC.

Pat

 

[TripleR]

Not on my Kubota as it is designed and built to release the cruise setting if you apply the brakes. Think about it! Would you want the cruise to keep you going while yo were using the brakes to try to stop (in most normal situations.) Not saying a way to override might not be handy once in a blue moon but it is not built in to my Grand L4610HSTC.

Pat

Maybe mine isn't working properly as my cruise control only kicks off when the brakes are locked together. Of course my method would only work going forward. My question/suggestion is only theoretical since I don't have the need to use split brakes for anything and haven't tried it. Now I am curious, but it has been raining for a day and a half and I am not curious if it works in the mud.

Since my "cruise control" is hand operated and can be used in the same manner going forward as an HST foot pedal and applying the brake only unlocks it and lets it return to "neutral", I wonder if you could over ride this by keeping your hand on the lever. When it dries out, I may check on it.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Couldn't you use the "cruise control" instead of the foot operated HST and use your split brakes? I don't bother with split brakes on a 4WD either and just keep them locked together.

When you are in a real touchy situation... like side of a hill next to a fence and some compromised traction mixed in, you really need full simultaneous control of brakes and wheel torque from zero to give you the best chance. An hst with proper ergonomic setup can present you all the advantage options. - - The second sentence in the quote tells me you havnt used your tractor enuf in demanding and unpredictable circumstances to force you to discover the advantage offered by a well integrated system in contrast to one that just makes the wheels turn. The problem that those who "dont ever need them" will find when they do, is a delayed or absent recognition of the need and a lack of practice in application. Now combine that with a control setup that makes the necessary contol action very difficult ....:tractor:
larry

 

[FritzII]

Glad I decided to get the split brakes when I upgraded !!!!
I have used them for snow removal and back dragging with the FEL. It's a little tricky, but I'm getting there.

 

[beenthere]

When you are in a real touchy situation... like side of a hill next to a fence and some compromised traction mixed in, you really need full simultaneous control of brakes and wheel torque from zero to give you the best chance. An hst with proper ergonomic setup can present you all the advantage options. - - The second sentence in the quote tells me you havnt used your tractor enuf in demanding and unpredictable circumstances to force you to discover the advantage offered by a well integrated system in contrast to one that just makes the wheels turn. The problem that those who "dont ever need them" will find when they do, is a delayed or absent recognition of the need and a lack of practice in application. Now combine that with a control setup that makes the necessary contol action very difficult ....:tractor:
larry

That was well stated Spyder.
Amazing what one has to give up or do, to make up for the design bleeps of a mfg. But that is what competition is all about.
I use the split brakes (on the left) less with 4wd than I did with the 2wd, but could not function in tight situations that are mentioned without easily accessible split brakes.
No requirement to lock them, as a single brake pedal for both wheels is also located on the right just above the HST pedals.

 

[jinman]

No brainer! Why all the fuss? If a 60 year old person can move his left foot over his right, why does it take 30 plus pages to to figure this out?:thumbsup:

Let's see if I understand this. You can roll your body and move your left foot over to the right and press on the left pedal above your right foot on the HST treadle. However, having brake pedals on the left would be confusing. . . . What's all the fuss, indeed? It's clear to me why this discussion has gone on for 30 pages.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Let's see if I understand this. You can roll your body and move your left foot over to the right and press on the left pedal above your right foot on the HST treadle. However, having brake pedals on the left would be confusing. . . . What's all the fuss, indeed? It's clear to me why this discussion has gone on for 30 pages.

And then of course, from there it will be no problem to dance that foot a little more rightward to get to the right brake pedal and apply it timely and with finesse. - - Wow, this sounds more dangerous than getting stuck, and about as dangerous as falling off the edge by not being able to use the feature effectively.
larry

 

[beenthere]

Let's see if I understand this. You can roll your body and move your left foot over to the right and press on the left pedal above your right foot on the HST treadle. However, having brake pedals on the left would be confusing. . . . What's all the fuss, indeed? It's clear to me why this discussion has gone on for 30 pages.

Having individual brakes on the left is not confusing at all. And they are there when needed, without twisting or turning or fussing.
The 30 pages seems mostly to defend a poor design, but then we tractor owners do protect our decisions to buy what we like. I think most people are happy with their decisions. I am, and wouldn't think of having the brakes on the right where I couldn't use them.

I enjoy asking the salesmen why the individual brakes are on the right with their HST pedals, and they stutter or stammer before saying people don't use left and right brakes anymore.

 

[RobertN]

I guess with my previous experience I still do not see the big deal.

I have been on the side of a hill, crawling over rocks, with trees inches(sometimes less) away. Sometimes the rocks less than inches away.

Although I have mentioned it before in the thread, this post made me think; I drive my 4x4 HST tractor just like I did my old Jeep. Like on Rubicon and countless other rock bound trails. I never had cutting brakes on the Jeep, yet got it in to some really technical trail sections.

Just a guess, but probably other people do the same.

In regards to using the cutting brakes being "delayed" or absent recognition", mine are always locked together. So yes, I'd have to reach down and flip the lever holding them together before I could use them.

When you are in a real touchy situation... like side of a hill next to a fence and some compromised traction mixed in, you really need full simultaneous control of brakes and wheel torque from zero to give you the best chance. An hst with proper ergonomic setup can present you all the advantage options. - - The second sentence in the quote tells me you havnt used your tractor enuf in demanding and unpredictable circumstances to force you to discover the advantage offered by a well integrated system in contrast to one that just makes the wheels turn. The problem that those who "dont ever need them" will find when they do, is a delayed or absent recognition of the need and a lack of practice in application. Now combine that with a control setup that makes the necessary contol action very difficult ....:tractor:
larry