Manual vs Hydrostatic

[FallbrookFarmer]

Okay,
I,m old and barely literate.
But YMMV? Do I need a PM here?

 

[niemeyjt]

Am looking at a used tractor from a small scale seller
When I look at the price of new tractors, I get vertigo
BTW On a totally different subject, If you don't mind me asking, Do you have BUPA or straight NHS?

Straight NHS. Most people do - BUPA costs alot and is not necessary - NHS does the job mostly, if slowly, and if the budget is not exhausted, and if the drugs you need are "approved" (not all are). I pay enough taxes as it is. I guess it is a bit like private education, where you can send children to schools not run by the state if you pay the fees. My mother had it - but ended up with BUPA paying for her to be in an NHS hospital with NHS doctors and nurses in a bed next to NHS patients.

YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary

J

 

[RalphVa]

I drove manual transmission tractors on our farms from a tyke until age 14 when we moved to town. Drove the neighbor's old manual transmission JD a couple of times here before getting my JD 4010 with hydro. I'd NEVER go back to manual transmission. I see absolutely no use for it unless you need lots of hp for ground engagement equipment, but even on those I think it'd be better to just a little bit bigger hp model to account for the slight hydro loss. The manuals are complete klutz stuff compared to the hydro.

Ralph

 

[Ken45101]

I have both, HST on the smaller units (B21, B2710), gear on the bigger (M5040, M9540).

The HST is definitely nicer for loader work where you can keep the engine speed up (for hydraulic flow) while slowly moving the tractor.

But I've always felt that the HST robbed the unit of a lot of power. Maybe I'm wrong. For work where you don't need the engine RPMs up or are running at constant speed (e.g. bush hogging), I'm perfectly happy with the gear transmission.

I will agree that the braking is nice with an HST (love it on the RTV900), but a grear transmission will slow a tractor down until it's at idle speed.

All in all, it depends on the use.

Ken

 

[DK35vince]

I drove manual transmission tractors on our farms from a tyke until age 14 when we moved to town. Drove the neighbor's old manual transmission JD a couple of times here before getting my JD 4010 with hydro. I'd NEVER go back to manual transmission.

The modern Shuttle shift and Power shift transmissions are so much faster foward/reversing, smoother and easier to use than older style manual transmissions there is simply no comparison.

 

[bp fick]

Gear (manual) is $1200 cheaper to buy, doesn't rob the wheels of 10% of the power, and perhaps most of all, doesn't have the annoying whine of an HST. Still, the B2320 Kubota, that I am considering, doesn't have a live PTO with the gear and that may be the deal breaker there. We shall see

 

[FallbrookFarmer]

Straight NHS. Most people do - BUPA costs alot and is not necessary - NHS does the job mostly, if slowly, and if the budget is not exhausted, and if the drugs you need are "approved" (not all are). I pay enough taxes as it is. I guess it is a bit like private education, where you can send children to schools not run by the state if you pay the fees. My mother had it - but ended up with BUPA paying for her to be in an NHS hospital with NHS doctors and nurses in a bed next to NHS patients.

YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary

J

Thanks for the reply /information,
My inquiry is obviously due to the changes here. I sometimes read the horror stories about people dying in hospitals, like the one in the Sun two days ago,the guy who had to call the switchboard to get a drink of water
and was then refused by the nurse, and then passed on.
I always wondered why you would need private insurance, if you already had NHS. I guess some health plans are more "equal" than others

 

[FallbrookFarmer]

Gear (manual) is $1200 cheaper to buy, doesn't rob the wheels of 10% of the power, and perhaps most of all, doesn't have the annoying whine of an HST. Still, the B2320 Kubota, that I am considering, doesn't have a live PTO with the gear and that may be the deal breaker there. We shall see

I think I can see why this might become a "religious" discussion
Thanks, everyone for all the great info!

 

[Stonehaller]

(if you count my 1972 Cub Cadet HST)

Sorry to prolong the thread, but when I saw the reference to the '72 cub cadet it made me remember. Back in the '70s my dad used to sell the cub cadet law tractors with hydrostatic transmissions. He sold several to a manufacturing plant and they ran them around the clock towing parts wagons. I rebuilt all of the Kohler engines for them at least once, but I never once saw a hydro trans. failure.

 

[Ken45101]

and perhaps most of all, doesn't have the annoying whine of an HST.

I have never noticed a whine in my B21 or B2710.

Ken