rbargeron
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I looked at a lot of junk before I found it. Hang in there - you'll find one. Bookmark this and check it now and then That's how I found mine.
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Soundguy
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kinda the same with old tractors.. lotsa junk.. some gems.
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I want it all !!! So far, the only genny I have is a 2500 watt Coleman SCREAMER that drinks gas like my uncle use to drink gin!! (Wich is a lot)... I am slowly building my house.... eventually I want the whole set-up with solar / wind / battery bank, Gassifier wood boiler and with this I would like to find the time to build myself a lister with PMG head to re-fill the battery bank... But I am not there yet... I wouldnm'T mind a PTO genny but I don'T have a real tractor yet...... so because I want a genny for BU.... I think that soon I will get a diesel chinesse knock-off (Maybe a Aurora)....
And maybe eventually I will have it all (it is somewhere on my list anyway)... the barn, the tractor, the gens (the chineese knock off 6.5kw..... the pto 20 kw... the lister 3.5kw running on WVO.... and maybe a sort of cogen power plant with wood gas engine couple on a boiler.... maybe we'll get there within the next 30 year.... a wood burning units cogen that provide you with all your heating need & power need... and why not couple too it a steam activate heat pump to cool the house.... that would be AWESOME).....
By the way... I love this forums....
And maybe eventually I will have it all (it is somewhere on my list anyway)... the barn, the tractor, the gens (the chineese knock off 6.5kw..... the pto 20 kw... the lister 3.5kw running on WVO.... and maybe a sort of cogen power plant with wood gas engine couple on a boiler.... maybe we'll get there within the next 30 year.... a wood burning units cogen that provide you with all your heating need & power need... and why not couple too it a steam activate heat pump to cool the house.... that would be AWESOME).....
By the way... I love this forums....
dcyrilc
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All it takes is time & money!:thumbsup::laughing:
brin
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Keep looking....the deals are out there I bought a Generack 20KW /40KW surge PTO Generator from an ad I put in our farmers bulletin...under equipment wanted..I bought it from an elderly lady who lived on a chicken farm and her husband had died and they only used it 3 times to power the chicken houses during power outages..I paid her $250.00 for it and it included the PTO shaft and stand...it works great and powers our whole house..The deals are out there and don't go by looks...see it work and then you can take care of the cosmetics ..
Kaliburz
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Well, I am new to this thread...... And I didn't read all 17 or so pages, just the first 9 or so. So forgive me if it's been mentioned.
Here on the farm, tractors have been used to run PTO powered irrigation pumps for a long time. I personally have not used one, but I know of a few that have. One tractor I saw had a Murphy Safety switch system put on it. It basically is a unit that monitors the engine oil pressure and temperature. If the unit senses a low oil/high water temp it cuts the fuel. The tractor I saw had an electric valve put in the fuel line before the low pressure pump. A system like that would save the tractor. High temp, low oil, system cuts the fuel....shutting down the tractor. Yes, the key is on, and your battery maybe drained, but at least you won't have a burned/seized engine.
PTO speed- as I run JD tractors (older units), I have an issue w/ the manufacture's rated PTO speed and what the engine runs at. My JD's for a 540 PTO have to run at over 2000 RPM! That's way to high in my opinion. Most of the PTO PTO gen sets I see have a gear box on them and the other gen heads say belt driven. Most of the belt driven gen heads I have seen say they run at about 3200 RPM (same as a small gas engine). Well, in order to get it that fast, you would actually need an over-drive type belt set up. If I were to set up a PTO using a belt driven, I would set it up so my engine speed would be 1300-1600RPM and the generator would turn close to max speed it's rated. If ya think a V belt would slip, then one could always get a toothed belt like a timing belt. But that is me. Your tractor's 540RPM and engine speed maybe much different (or lower).
Here on the farm, tractors have been used to run PTO powered irrigation pumps for a long time. I personally have not used one, but I know of a few that have. One tractor I saw had a Murphy Safety switch system put on it. It basically is a unit that monitors the engine oil pressure and temperature. If the unit senses a low oil/high water temp it cuts the fuel. The tractor I saw had an electric valve put in the fuel line before the low pressure pump. A system like that would save the tractor. High temp, low oil, system cuts the fuel....shutting down the tractor. Yes, the key is on, and your battery maybe drained, but at least you won't have a burned/seized engine.
PTO speed- as I run JD tractors (older units), I have an issue w/ the manufacture's rated PTO speed and what the engine runs at. My JD's for a 540 PTO have to run at over 2000 RPM! That's way to high in my opinion. Most of the PTO PTO gen sets I see have a gear box on them and the other gen heads say belt driven. Most of the belt driven gen heads I have seen say they run at about 3200 RPM (same as a small gas engine). Well, in order to get it that fast, you would actually need an over-drive type belt set up. If I were to set up a PTO using a belt driven, I would set it up so my engine speed would be 1300-1600RPM and the generator would turn close to max speed it's rated. If ya think a V belt would slip, then one could always get a toothed belt like a timing belt. But that is me. Your tractor's 540RPM and engine speed maybe much different (or lower).
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here's the deal.... you ytractors pto hp and pto rpm to engine rpm ratio are where they are at for a reason. IE.. at pto/engine rpm.. you are in a good power band for your engine.
if you make it so you are achieving pto rpm at a much lower engine speed.. you will be making much less pto. and in many cases, it's not linear.. IE.. half rpm is not half hp.
do you get queasy running your tractor at pto rpm for your mower? you shouldn't. all them high paid green engineers designed that machine to run and work at pto rpm... a loaded genny and a mower don't look much different to that tractor... and in the end.. mostly, load will determine fuel usage.
soundguy
if you make it so you are achieving pto rpm at a much lower engine speed.. you will be making much less pto. and in many cases, it's not linear.. IE.. half rpm is not half hp.
do you get queasy running your tractor at pto rpm for your mower? you shouldn't. all them high paid green engineers designed that machine to run and work at pto rpm... a loaded genny and a mower don't look much different to that tractor... and in the end.. mostly, load will determine fuel usage.
soundguy
Soundguy, that is a good post!
I just had a similar conversation with my brother who bushhogs his fields with his JD5300 at around 1700 rpm instead of 2400 which is what the engineers designed it to run at for maximum power. Much less strain on a machine when it is running as intended.
Somehow we tend to think that nearly "maximum" rpm must be harmful. You would never sit in your car with your engine running at nearly maximum rpm. But tractors are designed to work, and I believe there is less harm running them at 2400 than lugging them at too low an engine speed. I run my JD5210 at 2300 ish while using my Wallenstein BX62, and most of the time it is actually not doing much work. Doesn't hurt a thing, doesn't burn oil, doesn't use much fuel (Like you said, fuel use is based on load more than just rpm.)
Don't baby your equipment. Use it, don't abuse it.
IMO haha
I just had a similar conversation with my brother who bushhogs his fields with his JD5300 at around 1700 rpm instead of 2400 which is what the engineers designed it to run at for maximum power. Much less strain on a machine when it is running as intended.
Somehow we tend to think that nearly "maximum" rpm must be harmful. You would never sit in your car with your engine running at nearly maximum rpm. But tractors are designed to work, and I believe there is less harm running them at 2400 than lugging them at too low an engine speed. I run my JD5210 at 2300 ish while using my Wallenstein BX62, and most of the time it is actually not doing much work. Doesn't hurt a thing, doesn't burn oil, doesn't use much fuel (Like you said, fuel use is based on load more than just rpm.)
Don't baby your equipment. Use it, don't abuse it.
IMO haha