hi i have a 09 ck27w/130 loader , quick attach bucket, when i push into a gravel pile or dirt to get a full load the loader will not curl or lift straight through as it should, some have told me its cause of the bucket size ? i ran an older newholland 25hp with woods loader and it worked with no issues, ... i was wondering about the relief pressure and how to bump it up alil?
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Yota_85
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My dealer said he had several complaints about this issue ever since Kioti began offering the QA loader as an option on the CK27/30/35.
He claimed that the QA moved the bucket out away from the loader arms just enough to have a dramatic effect of the lift capability/curling ability, especially noticed on larger bucket widths or larger bucket capacities.
Maybe, as you say, pumping up your PSI a smidge, wouldn't make it seem too bad.
He claimed that the QA moved the bucket out away from the loader arms just enough to have a dramatic effect of the lift capability/curling ability, especially noticed on larger bucket widths or larger bucket capacities.
Maybe, as you say, pumping up your PSI a smidge, wouldn't make it seem too bad.
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We have played with several of the new KL130QAP Loaders with the QA Plate. It does effect the roll-back of the bucket due to the extended distance to the roll pins. Not only did KIOTI add the QA Plate, they also gave us a larger / heavier bucket, which we have been requesting for a long time. Now we have both, and the effects of both.
We have found that decent bucket curl can be accomplished by letting down on the boom slightly as you curl in the material pile. The natural tendency is to lift on the boom as you curl. If you let slightly down on the boom as you curl, and continue into the pile, you can get a decent bucket full of material. Takes a little practice, but it works.
Your loader should run at about 2450psi. We wouldn't recommend cranking up the pressure beyond the recommended setting.
We have found that decent bucket curl can be accomplished by letting down on the boom slightly as you curl in the material pile. The natural tendency is to lift on the boom as you curl. If you let slightly down on the boom as you curl, and continue into the pile, you can get a decent bucket full of material. Takes a little practice, but it works.
Your loader should run at about 2450psi. We wouldn't recommend cranking up the pressure beyond the recommended setting.
LaVoie Equipment
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My first observation is which range are you in? If you are in Medium Range you should try Low Range. Typically while working with the Loader the tractor you should be in Low Range. If you are traveling close distances - low is probably fast enough. For longer distances load the bucket in Low, then shift to Medium for travel. Low Range will give you the most power. Also you did not comment on the RPM you were working at. Throttle the tractor up to PTO operating RPM's should help do the trick.:thumbsup:
BigE_
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The range you're in won't have anything to do with being able to lift / curl. But, do make sure your RPMs are up. I agree, tweaking the PSI a little won't hurt.
Steve_Miller
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You hit it on the head as usual Iron, I've done this for quite awhile and Iron is right in his explanation. The addition of a toothbar can also help if used to your advantage as well. The toothbar can hurt as much as it helps if you try to curl without lowering the boom and using the tractors breakout force to it's advantage. I can load my bucket to the point where the loader won't lift it on occasion in wet material as the toothbar actually allows you to get even more material in your bucket because of the extension of the teeth.
Steve
P.S. By the way I do have the Horst QA on my CK30 and a homemade 900lb weight.
iwanta
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The LK30 here in Australia originally came with a Quick release bucket on the AL33 loader, I always wondered why they discontinued it to a standard pin connect, figured it was a cost cut but reading this maybe not. Also our bucket is 55 inch's, 5.29 cubic feet, I believe the LK30 in USA is fitted with a 60 inch bucket,the smaller bucket does give the Aussie model a lift capacity of 1763 pounds.
Out of interest what width bucket are you talking about here that is giving the problem, I'd actually like to get a bigger bucket for my LK30 as the 55 inch seems like your only moving a spade full at a time, still beats using a wheelbarrow though
Out of interest what width bucket are you talking about here that is giving the problem, I'd actually like to get a bigger bucket for my LK30 as the 55 inch seems like your only moving a spade full at a time, still beats using a wheelbarrow though
Michigan Iron is right out lowering as you curl for better lift. When I go into a pile I move the loader control to the 10 to 11 o'clock position instead of the 9 o'clock just curl position. Try it you'll be amazed at the difference.
the curl pos. is in the 3 o'clock pos. not 9 lol
but ill try if it helps this poor thing, now i know why there throwing in free loaders...taking it to the dealer this week and they are gonna have to do something or ill not have it. i mean man i use other older makes less hp with no problems. love everything about it except this weak loader deal. sometimes when dumping the bucket and maybe back dragging pea--#57 gravel its like it has no hydraulic pressure almost like the buckets flopping
but ill try if it helps this poor thing, now i know why there throwing in free loaders...taking it to the dealer this week and they are gonna have to do something or ill not have it. i mean man i use other older makes less hp with no problems. love everything about it except this weak loader deal. sometimes when dumping the bucket and maybe back dragging pea--#57 gravel its like it has no hydraulic pressure almost like the buckets flopping
JonKioti
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I had a similar issue with a Kuboda one time, but is was a design issue, not maintenance. It's one reason why I bought the Kioti.
My wife put it best at the time: "We'll rent this one when we need to move a load of feathers!".
She's not one to sugar coat things.
I'm sure this will get fixed for you.
Jon
My wife put it best at the time: "We'll rent this one when we need to move a load of feathers!".
She's not one to sugar coat things.
I'm sure this will get fixed for you.
Jon
the curl pos. is in the 3 o'clock pos. not 9 lol
but ill try if it helps this poor thing, now i know why there throwing in free loaders...taking it to the dealer this week and they are gonna have to do something or ill not have it. i mean man i use other older makes less hp with no problems. love everything about it except this weak loader deal. sometimes when dumping the bucket and maybe back dragging pea--#57 gravel its like it has no hydraulic pressure almost like the buckets flopping
I guess my controller is backwards then, because mine dumps at the 3 o'clock position.
gladehound
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mine curls at 9 O'clock and dumpsat 3 O'clock. I thought this was the standard way to set them up.
Kioti4me
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Guys this thread has really peaked my interest. I have a 2008 CK35HST with the k130 loader. I often wonder if the Hydro PSI for the FEL was set correctly at the factory. I have two other CUTs in my neck of the woods, one is the other orange and yes I have a John Deere two doors down. I believe the JD has the X400 FEL not sure what the orange one has, but It sure seems to me that the FEL on those tractors are have more lifting power than my Kioti? How do you go about testing this without bringing it to the dealer? My dealer is over 125 from the cabin. Thanks
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You can check the pressure to the loader by hooking up a pressure gauge at the loader patch ports. I think someone once upon a time posted photos of their gauge setup that they had made using a short piece of hydraulic hose connected to a gauge. Then there were others that had the gauge permanently mounted at the patch.
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I'm not so sure it is lowering that helps but rather not lifting simultaneously. That way all the hydraulic pump flow is going just to the curl cylinders rather than being split between two curl and two lift cylinders. I'd imagine that ideal would be just 9 o'clock position for curl.
it doesnt matter if you just try to lift with a full bucket of dirt or 57 gravel ,,, or curl while in a pile without lifting or anything else,, it plainly sucks badly with no excuses for it , i mean a 1720 ford [25hp] woods backhoe and loader , no problems what so ever, youd think the ck27 [ 28hp ] would be a better piece, very disapointed in the loader as well as others in my area, after talking to them they are having the same problems...i was going to buy a backhoe attachment but now im afraid to cause is it going to be weak also??? im going to let the dealer handle this at lease give them and kioti a shot then if niether can fix the problem im going to check my laws if any apply or find it another home... i love everything else about it just this is ticking me off for 15k and 68hrs
and 68hrsit doesnt matter if you just try to lift with a full bucket of dirt or 57 gravel ,,, or curl while in a pile without lifting or anything else,, it plainly sucks badly with no excuses for it , i mean a 1720 ford [25hp] woods backhoe and loader , no problems what so ever, youd think the ck27 [ 28hp ] would be a better piece, very disapointed in the loader as well as others in my area, after talking to them they are having the same problems...i was going to buy a backhoe attachment but now im afraid to cause is it going to be weak also??? im going to let the dealer handle this at lease give them and kioti a shot then if niether can fix the problem im going to check my laws if any apply or find it another home... i love everything else about it just this is ticking me off for 15k and 68hrs
and 68hrs
