I was wonder how big of a truck I needed to tow 20 to 25,000 pounds, plus trailor weight, and be able to hold tools, air compressor and fuel tank in the bed. I was thinking a 1 ton daully or a Chevy Kodiak, I want 4 wheel drive and a crew cab. The trailor will be a goosenek, not sure on length yet.
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A new F-350 or GM 3500 will get you in the 22,000# range, Dodge is back in the 18,000# range right now.
A F-450 will get you in the 25,000# range. GM stopped the Kodiak a few years back so you will have to go used with that.
GM, Ford, and Dodge all have Cab and Chassis models, 4500/5500 series that can do what you require. And then there is International, Volvo, ect.
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A F-450 will get you in the 25,000# range. GM stopped the Kodiak a few years back so you will have to go used with that.
GM, Ford, and Dodge all have Cab and Chassis models, 4500/5500 series that can do what you require. And then there is International, Volvo, ect.
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You need something bigger than a 1T dually to haul 25K. I'm sure someone with a Kodiak or similar vehicle can tell you the tow ratings.
I don't know what state you are in but in some states you could drive a vehicle and tow a trailer up to a GCWR of 26,000 with a regular drivers license. Once you go over the 26K combined weight you need the class A.
As DP says, a 4500/5500 will get the job done.
I don't know what state you are in but in some states you could drive a vehicle and tow a trailer up to a GCWR of 26,000 with a regular drivers license. Once you go over the 26K combined weight you need the class A.
As DP says, a 4500/5500 will get the job done.
After having pulled a 21k GVW 40 foot RV, I wouldn't personally use anything smaller than a 4400 International or a similar truck to pull that much weight. Any of the 550 size trucks will probably pull that weight, but the panic/emergency stop is where the bigger class 6-7 truck w/ air brakes will make you glad you "went big".
My two cents, FWIW.
My two cents, FWIW.
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What he said.
Dmace
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Certainly sounds like class 6 truck territory. The good news is that means you can get a good diesel engine (Cummins) in a Ford truck. 
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While a 5500 or larger truck would be nice its not necessary. The F-450 can pull about 25,000# and still be a daily drive with a bed. These new trucks with super powerful engines, exhaust brakes, great trannys, tough frames, huge brakes are plenty capable.
The big issue with a Class 5 or 6 truck is insurance. Even if for private use unless farm plated many insurance companies want a CDL or at least a driving course completed. Why set yourself up for all that when then new modern 1 tons and the F-450 can do the job.
Heck, my 06 F-350 is rated to pull about 18,000# and does so with no issues and is nothing like the new GMC3500 or F-350 that are rated to pull about 22,000#. Its only 4 years old and the new stuff is so much better. Its amazing what they have done with these trucks.
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The big issue with a Class 5 or 6 truck is insurance. Even if for private use unless farm plated many insurance companies want a CDL or at least a driving course completed. Why set yourself up for all that when then new modern 1 tons and the F-450 can do the job.
Heck, my 06 F-350 is rated to pull about 18,000# and does so with no issues and is nothing like the new GMC3500 or F-350 that are rated to pull about 22,000#. Its only 4 years old and the new stuff is so much better. Its amazing what they have done with these trucks.
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If you read what he said, it states he wants to tow "20 to 25,000 pounds, plus trailer weight". Last I checked, even a cheap trailer rated at 10-13 tons capacity was a good 5-6k lbs empty. Now your talking about 25k-30k lbs total, your not going to haul that behind an F-450. :laughing:
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If you read more carefully, you'd see the OP wrote
Not just a 25,000lb trailer.
So if his load is 25,000lbs PLUS trailer weight (that's probably another 7,000lbs), PLUS tools, compressor and fuel tank (that's probably another 2,500lbs), he'd have a gross payload of ~34-35,000 lbs. An empty truck built strong enough to handle that weight with a bed will way at least 10,000lbs. 10,000lbs of truck plus 34,000lbs is 44,000lbs of payload & trailer. Far beyond a F350/450 or 550.
There's also other truck brands that can handle that load other than Ford. Take a look at IH or Freightliner and stay away from small framed trucks. I drive heavy trucks every day. Stay away from a small truck for that kind of load. It makes the roads safer for all of us.
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You are getting into semi truck territory there. The problem becomes the stopping not the going. A trailer that can tote 25,000 lbs safely, easily could weigh 8000 to 10000 lbs.
If it were me I would look at a smaller semi.... maybe like a beer/pop tractor. I know alot of horse haulers us similar trucks. Or I might just say screw it and get a Kenworth W900!!! hahahah! Good luck!
