KIOTI DK 45 SE HST Stopped while running - won't re-start

[dourobob]

Yep, notice that. But the $450 transport cost is the killer for me.

Not sure if my "transport costs" will be part of warranty or not (only has 10.4 hours on it) but the tractor was of no use just sitting here.
The test port sounds like a great idea.
Undoubtedly a specialized tool for testing but perhaps one that could be "borrowed" if the need reoccurs.

Bob

 

[kattywumpus]

Not sure if my "transport costs" will be part of warranty or not (only has 10.4 hours on it) but the tractor was of no use just sitting here.
The test port sounds like a great idea.
Undoubtedly a specialized tool for testing but perhaps one that could be "borrowed" if the need reoccurs.

Bob

Tom Martell of Kioti agreed to paid for the last transport for my warranty work but Tom and Batchelder both stated I would need to pay for future transport for warranty work.

Being able to borrowed a Kioti tester would be very helpful to detriment the extent of the repairs required. I would be very disappointed if I paid $450 in transport cost to learn the dealer only need to replace a $30 part that took 15 minutes to replace, like the Engine Stop solenoid. But if the whole wire harness needed to be replaced then the cost might be justified.

PS: I don't know the cost of Kioti Engine Stop solenoid but it hard for me to imagine that it cost too much.

 

[kattywumpus]

There are 2 coils in the solenoid. The first coil pulls the solenoid into the open position, to allow the fuel rack to move (loud click from under the hood). The second coil holds the solenoid in the open position. It sounds like you may be loosing the signal for the hold coil. The second click you hear is the solenoid not getting the hold signal and shutting back down.

Hope this helps.

I believe this would cause the buzzing sound described in the other thread. If the holding coil is not working (shorted or open) the solenoid pin would move back into the non running position re-engaging (closing the pull-in coil switch in the solenoid) the pull-in coil and starting the cycle again?

 

[Coyote machine]

If Kioti built in a code reader into the harness then maybe it is possible to read it with a car code reader?!
Car readers are available at auto stores, through Snap-on Tools and other brand automotive tool manufacturers.
If Michigan Iron or Wallace or any approved dealer could chime in on this it would be appreciated.
No intention of taking away work, just seeking to do it ourselves when we're far from dealer, as is Bob. You guys still sell the parts to fix whatever the problem is.

Bob, I'd get the tractor over to your dealer as they have suggested and work out the shipping with the dealer and or zone rep. Your tractor is of no use if it won't start, and run as intended. It is clearly no fault of your own and it's not like you have hundreds of hours on it either. Joel D is right, to keep messing with a potentially bad harness could cause a short and result in a fire. Worse case scenario, if you end up with a fire warranty will NOT cover you.

 

[kattywumpus]

If Kioti built in a code reader into the harness then maybe it is possible to read it with a car code reader?!
Car readers are available at auto stores, through Snap-on Tools and other brand automotive tool manufacturers.
If Michigan Iron or Wallace or any approved dealer could chime in on this it would be appreciated.
No intention of taking away work, just seeking to do it ourselves when we're far from dealer, as is Bob. You guys still sell the parts to fix whatever the problem is.

Bob, I'd get the tractor over to your dealer as they have suggested and work out the shipping with the dealer and or zone rep. Your tractor is of no use if it won't start, and run as intended. It is clearly no fault of your own and it's not like you have hundreds of hours on it either. Joel D is right, to keep messing with a potentially bad harness could cause a short and result in a fire. Worse case scenario, if you end up with a fire warranty will NOT cover you.

I believe Bob already has the dealer working on it.

 

[dourobob]

I believe Bob already has the dealer working on it.

Yes I do.

They picked it up late Tuesday and on Wednesday the mechanic told me they were going to replace the harness because of this plus a few other little electrical quirks I had advised them about earlier. The other quirks were considered as "not serious" but could have been addresses at the 50 hour service.

These aggravations included:

1. heat and cooling dial was backwards - red for cool and blue for heat
2. tractor would start (sometimes) when not in neutral
3. dash lights for L,M,H and N were not always on
4. malfunctioning lower radiator hose heater

I hope to have the tractor back and running beautifully early next week.

Still have to discuss transport charges with the dealer/owner. He was away last week.

My feeling is that on a tractor with only 10.5 hours, these things should not happen and it should not cost me to get them fixed.

Tom (the owner) has been great to deal with so far and I expect him to be fair in this as well.

Bob

 

[Coyote machine]

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My feeling is that on a tractor with only 10.5 hours, these things should not happen and it should not cost me to get them fixed.

Tom (the owner) has been great to deal with so far and I expect him to be fair in this as well.

Bob

The red lettering is exactly right- sounds like a Monday or Friday tractor assembly job by the new kid on the line.
It makes complete sense that the entire harness should be replaced. The constant blowing of fuses and things being somewhat better for random amounts of time all point to this type of problem.
Glad to hear you're going to be getting it fixed.

 

[grsthegreat]

i hope that this was the only issue for your problems. I just paid for a 2011 DK45se HST loader from our dealer today...i sure hope that this starting issue was just form one persons weekend drinking binge and not a serious issue with the tractor....I sure love the looks of my new tractor, but i wont have it in my hot little hands for another week (dealer adding a few extras to it).

 

[dourobob]

i hope that this was the only issue for your problems. I just paid for a 2011 DK45se HST loader from our dealer today...i sure hope that this starting issue was just form one persons weekend drinking binge and not a serious issue with the tractor....I sure love the looks of my new tractor, but i wont have it in my hot little hands for another week (dealer adding a few extras to it).

Congrats on your new purchase - I believe you will be very happy with the DK45 SE HST and you will love the cab.

This issue has NOT turned me off the brand. I still love the tractor and, with the cooperation of my dealer and the great advise on this board from lots of way-more-experience folks than me, I look forward to many years of satisfied tractoring. I think it will likely outlast me.

Where are you located?

Bob

 

[grsthegreat]

Congrats on your new purchase - I believe you will be very happy with the DK45 SE HST and you will love the cab.

This issue has NOT turned me off the brand. I still love the tractor and, with the cooperation of my dealer and the great advise on this board from lots of way-more-experience folks than me, I look forward to many years of satisfied tractoring. I think it will likely outlast me.

Where are you located?

Bob

north of coeur d'alene, idaho here