Becarefull if buying anything with perkins 1104-44t engine

[Bison]

I'm not sure a loose engine mount has anything to do with Perkins not providing warranty on an engine failure. I would tend to think that the loose bolt would fall on the factory's shoulder.

I don't know how many RC/PT100s ASV has built over the years, but I would have to think it would be well over 4-5000 units since they came out in the early 2000s, of which half were probably put into brush cutting. If this is the case, the 20 failures that heavyduty so eagerly points out as failing would amount to a 0.8-1% failure rate; hardly an amount that consitutes an engine problem. That's assuming that all 20 units that he speaks of actually failed due to a defect. I may not be in the mulching business, but I sold over 1,000 machines in my career with Bobcat, and I think we can all agree that not all customers prescribe to the same level of preventive maintenance on their machines. In fact, many of them don't do much maintenance at all. JMHO

I can second to that.
The machine i bought was "meticulously" maintained by the PO.

His maintenance meant in the end "fix only when broke" and "grease only the part that was just replaced".

My fault
Next time ,no records,no sale

 

[slowzuki]

Loose engine mount would be a dealer/customer/ASV problem, not perkins other than through holes into oil pans is a bad idea.

Looks like it is a known problem though and if you are post warrantee, falls on the customer.

That issue at least is not a perkins problem.

I'm not sure a loose engine mount has anything to do with Perkins not providing warranty on an engine failure. I would tend to think that the loose bolt would fall on the factory's shoulder.

I don't know how many RC/PT100s ASV has built over the years, but I would have to think it would be well over 4-5000 units since they came out in the early 2000s, of which half were probably put into brush cutting. If this is the case, the 20 failures that heavyduty so eagerly points out as failing would amount to a 0.8-1% failure rate; hardly an amount that consitutes an engine problem. That's assuming that all 20 units that he speaks of actually failed due to a defect. I may not be in the mulching business, but I sold over 1,000 machines in my career with Bobcat, and I think we can all agree that not all customers prescribe to the same level of preventive maintenance on their machines. In fact, many of them don't do much maintenance at all. JMHO

 

[treeman40]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

 

[Digdeep]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

You've had all of these problems totaling three machines and four engines and you don't own another brand yet such as Bobcat, CAT, John Deere because.....???????

Please don't take offense, but isn't "The definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

 

[treeman40]

they are fine for landscaping

 

[Bison]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

What do you think a temp gauge is for.
Guess what,it ain't for decoration!

 

[Heavyduty]

What do you think a temp gauge is for.
Guess what,it ain't for decoration!

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

 

[Digdeep]

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

I don't necessarily have a problem with someone saying anything negative about ASV/Perkins, or any other brand for that matter. We all have our favorites; I知 particular to Bobcat and ASV since I sold over 1000 Bobcats through the years, and now own a S220 and a RC50.

You're correct that I don't mulch for a living, but I do know a few guys that do. I also don't disrespect all those who work hard for a living. I'm merely disagreeing with your assertion that the Perkins engine is any less suited than any other to run in a machine that mulches.

You initially stated that "You've been hearing of people having engine failures with the perkins 1104-44t engine? You then went on to say you talked to "a local mulcher and he had two perkin's engine failures with his ASV's. I was thinking he didn't change the oil, operator abuse, etc. but I saw this thread. Then you went on to say, "I think this is just a small batch of engines having these early failures in ASV's., followed by another post where you said, "keeping your mulcher running is hard enough without ASV/Perkins having design problems.

All of this was based off of a thread with one guy stating he had had a machine throw a rod at 862 hours. I don't know about most, but I've seen a lot of engine and pump failures over the years at the Bobcat dealership, and typically they fail very early if they are defective.

BTW...the guy with the engine failure that started the other post had three other ASVs in the past that he was please with, and another guy in the same thread had two with around 3300 hours with no problems.

My only point is that you made these comments based off of a couple pieces of incomplete information. I simply disagreed with you based on such a small sample. This doesn't make me right and it doesn稚 make me wrong, although I may be proven to be one of either.

 

[Heavyduty]

I don't necessarily have a problem with someone saying anything negative about ASV/Perkins, or any other brand for that matter. We all have our favorites; I知 particular to Bobcat and ASV since I sold over 1000 Bobcats through the years, and now own a S220 and a RC50.

You're correct that I don't mulch for a living, but I do know a few guys that do. I also don't disrespect all those who work hard for a living. I'm merely disagreeing with your assertion that the Perkins engine is any less suited than any other to run in a machine that mulches.

You initially stated that "You've been hearing of people having engine failures with the perkins 1104-44t engine? You then went on to say you talked to "a local mulcher and he had two perkin's engine failures with his ASV's. I was thinking he didn't change the oil, operator abuse, etc. but I saw this thread. Then you went on to say, "I think this is just a small batch of engines having these early failures in ASV's., followed by another post where you said, "keeping your mulcher running is hard enough without ASV/Perkins having design problems.

All of this was based off of a thread with one guy stating he had had a machine throw a rod at 862 hours. I don't know about most, but I've seen a lot of engine and pump failures over the years at the Bobcat dealership, and typically they fail very early if they are defective.

BTW...the guy with the engine failure that started the other post had three other ASVs in the past that he was please with, and another guy in the same thread had two with around 3300 hours with no problems.

My only point is that you made these comments based off of a couple pieces of incomplete information. I simply disagreed with you based on such a small sample. This doesn't make me right and it doesn稚 make me wrong, although I may be proven to be one of either.

That's fine, no problem. I see where you are coming from.:thumbsup:

 

[Bison]

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

I don't know what you get so riled up about.
I HAVE one of these ASV's myself with the Perkins in it.
It don't friggin matter what equipment an engine runs in.Any one can/will overheat if the rad gets clogged,new or not.
If you know your machine is prone to getting hot,then keep an eye on it.
THAT IS WHAT THE FRIGGIN GAUGE IS FOR,
When a operator desides to ignore that little gadget then don't be surpriced if the thing blows up.

I do mulch,altough not for a living, but i know when to back off when it gets to tough
for that engine.