Becarefull if buying anything with perkins 1104-44t engine

[farmerpocock]

I've been hearing of people having engine failures with the perkins 1104-44t engine. I thought yaw would like to know since some of you may have a mulcher mounted on a ASV, etc. or looking to buy one.:thumbsup:

Is this the same engine as the perkins 1104D? we have a 2006 Massey 5455 with only 3000 hours and the head has blown! Massey are saying that the type of antifreeze used in the service has eaten into the block so it requires a new engine and we will have to pay, we spoke to Perkins and off the record a man said that this was a load of rubbish, we then relayed this to massey and they have since told the man from perkins to back off and not to talk to us any longer!!! any help out their would be much appreciated.

 

[slowzuki]

Did you use the specified anti-freeze? You are supposed to use a particular type. My 5455 has 4300 hours on it now. I had trouble with breaking the timing cover, the alternator rips off of it.

 

[Heavyduty]

Is this the same engine as the perkins 1104D? we have a 2006 Massey 5455 with only 3000 hours and the head has blown! Massey are saying that the type of antifreeze used in the service has eaten into the block so it requires a new engine and we will have to pay, we spoke to Perkins and off the record a man said that this was a load of rubbish, we then relayed this to massey and they have since told the man from perkins to back off and not to talk to us any longer!!! any help out their would be much appreciated.

Thanks for bringing this thread back to life. :thumbsup:

The perkins engine that I was talking about were in ASV's with mulching heads. I haven't heard of alot problems with perkins engines used in a tractor type application. Good luck getting it sorted out.

 

[slowzuki]

Its the same engine used in both apps. Just a few different accessories such as the cooling package and oil pan.

 

[aczlan]

Its the same engine used in both apps. Just a few different accessories such as the cooling package and oil pan.

And a slightly different workload, less stuff building up on the cooling system and more room to breath.

Aaron Z

 

[campbell]

Heavyduty, Just a bit of advise from Down Under don't make unsubstantiated comments on something you know absolutely nothing about. It's people like you who make these forums absolutly rubbish for the average punter trying to identify a problem. I am an Engine Reconditioner and have just rebuilt a 1104-44t from a ASV with mulching head which failed due to overheating at only 200 hours. The cause was a SEVERELY blocked radiator as a result of the sap/dust combination. Is the engine/Perkins to blame - clearly not, the operator obviously for not monitoring the temp gauge, ASV - definitely for marketing a machine with design issues for the environment it is working in. The bearing issues refered to in some of these posts are likely related to the same issue, continued running at elavated temps will break down the oil.
Campbell

 

[Heavyduty]

Heavyduty, Just a bit of advise from Down Under don't make unsubstantiated comments on something you know absolutely nothing about. It's people like you who make these forums absolutly rubbish for the average punter trying to identify a problem. I am an Engine Reconditioner and have just rebuilt a 1104-44t from a ASV with mulching head which failed due to overheating at only 200 hours. The cause was a SEVERELY blocked radiator as a result of the sap/dust combination. Is the engine/Perkins to blame - clearly not, the operator obviously for not monitoring the temp gauge, ASV - definitely for marketing a machine with design issues for the environment it is working in. The bearing issues refered to in some of these posts are likely related to the same issue, continued running at elavated temps will break down the oil.
Campbell

If you go back and read mate, you will understand the problems many people had with the Perkins motor in a mulching app in the USA. All the people that had perkins powered machines in 2005, now use something else. Where's Perkins at in 2012? That speaks for itself. You and/or Perkins can sue me if you have a problem with my personal opinion on this subject. Good day, mate.:laughing:

 

[Cat_Driver]

If you go back and read mate, you will understand the problems many people had with the Perkins motor in a mulching app in the USA. All the people that had perkins powered machines in 2005, now use something else. Where's Perkins at in 2012? That speaks for itself. You and/or Perkins can sue me if you have a problem with my personal opinion on this subject. Good day, mate.
Heavyduty is online now Report Post Reply With Quote

I don't know if you know this or NOT, but you are actually agreeing with the guy down under even though you think you are making a point.

You said in your not so clever rebuttal ..."many people had with the Perkins motor in a mulching app in the USA."...Ahhhhh, that's pretty much what the guy from down under said. He said teh engine is good the APPLICATION IS POOR.

So to answer your question THEY REDESIGNED THE APPLICATION.
......"He had lots of problems with over heating until he updated the location over the roof. he still had some problems with the radiator and cooler because he brush cuts low lying areas with bullrushes sometimes and the stuff is like cotton. He demoed the new PT100 forestry on Thursday and said the machine is the real deal. he told me that the machines reversible fan can be activated from inside the cab or it can operate on the automatic timer"

So to answer WHERE DID THE PERKINS ENGINE GO? So you are W-R-O-N-G they are NOT using something else. They are using P-E-R-K-I-N-S

Well it went in the TEREX 2012 Forestry Mulcher unit. Model Perkins 1104D-44T

http://www.terex.com/construction/en/idc03/groups/webcontent/@web/@con/documents/web_content/ucm03_023839.pdf

 

[Heavyduty]

I don't know if you know this or NOT, but you are actually agreeing with the guy down under even though you think you are making a point.

You said in your not so clever rebuttal ..."many people had with the Perkins motor in a mulching app in the USA."...Ahhhhh, that's pretty much what the guy from down under said. He said teh engine is good the APPLICATION IS POOR.

So to answer your question THEY REDESIGNED THE APPLICATION.
......"He had lots of problems with over heating until he updated the location over the roof. he still had some problems with the radiator and cooler because he brush cuts low lying areas with bullrushes sometimes and the stuff is like cotton. He demoed the new PT100 forestry on Thursday and said the machine is the real deal. he told me that the machines reversible fan can be activated from inside the cab or it can operate on the automatic timer"

So to answer WHERE DID THE PERKINS ENGINE GO? So you are W-R-O-N-G they are NOT using something else. They are using P-E-R-K-I-N-S

Well it went in the TEREX 2012 Forestry Mulcher unit. Model Perkins 1104D-44T

http://www.terex.com/construction/en/idc03/groups/webcontent/@web/@con/documents/web_content/ucm03_023839.pdf

Slow your roll and reread. I said, the people that I personally knew in 2005, that had Perkins powered mulchers, now use something else. Nobody, that I know (now in 2012) use a Terex mulcher. If you want to put all your money in Terex stock, go for it. Reading something and understanding what you read are two differnt things.

 

[Heavyduty]

Just to make it CLEAR, all 20 or so mulchers that I know, from my little area of the USA, do not run a Terex or Perkins powered mulcher.

I'm sure someone will come along and get it twisted. I can't help that.:confused2: