Becarefull if buying anything with perkins 1104-44t engine

[Bison]

I'm not sure a loose engine mount has anything to do with Perkins not providing warranty on an engine failure. I would tend to think that the loose bolt would fall on the factory's shoulder.

I don't know how many RC/PT100s ASV has built over the years, but I would have to think it would be well over 4-5000 units since they came out in the early 2000s, of which half were probably put into brush cutting. If this is the case, the 20 failures that heavyduty so eagerly points out as failing would amount to a 0.8-1% failure rate; hardly an amount that consitutes an engine problem. That's assuming that all 20 units that he speaks of actually failed due to a defect. I may not be in the mulching business, but I sold over 1,000 machines in my career with Bobcat, and I think we can all agree that not all customers prescribe to the same level of preventive maintenance on their machines. In fact, many of them don't do much maintenance at all. JMHO

I can second to that.
The machine i bought was "meticulously" maintained by the PO.

His maintenance meant in the end "fix only when broke" and "grease only the part that was just replaced".

My fault
Next time ,no records,no sale

 

[slowzuki]

Loose engine mount would be a dealer/customer/ASV problem, not perkins other than through holes into oil pans is a bad idea.

Looks like it is a known problem though and if you are post warrantee, falls on the customer.

That issue at least is not a perkins problem.

I'm not sure a loose engine mount has anything to do with Perkins not providing warranty on an engine failure. I would tend to think that the loose bolt would fall on the factory's shoulder.

I don't know how many RC/PT100s ASV has built over the years, but I would have to think it would be well over 4-5000 units since they came out in the early 2000s, of which half were probably put into brush cutting. If this is the case, the 20 failures that heavyduty so eagerly points out as failing would amount to a 0.8-1% failure rate; hardly an amount that consitutes an engine problem. That's assuming that all 20 units that he speaks of actually failed due to a defect. I may not be in the mulching business, but I sold over 1,000 machines in my career with Bobcat, and I think we can all agree that not all customers prescribe to the same level of preventive maintenance on their machines. In fact, many of them don't do much maintenance at all. JMHO

 

[treeman40]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

 

[Digdeep]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

You've had all of these problems totaling three machines and four engines and you don't own another brand yet such as Bobcat, CAT, John Deere because.....???????

Please don't take offense, but isn't "The definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

 

[treeman40]

they are fine for landscaping

 

[Bison]

IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.I have replaced 4 engines in three machines.they dont have the cooling capacty they need.

What do you think a temp gauge is for.
Guess what,it ain't for decoration!

 

[Heavyduty]

What do you think a temp gauge is for.
Guess what,it ain't for decoration!

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

 

[Digdeep]

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

I don't necessarily have a problem with someone saying anything negative about ASV/Perkins, or any other brand for that matter. We all have our favorites; I知 particular to Bobcat and ASV since I sold over 1000 Bobcats through the years, and now own a S220 and a RC50.

You're correct that I don't mulch for a living, but I do know a few guys that do. I also don't disrespect all those who work hard for a living. I'm merely disagreeing with your assertion that the Perkins engine is any less suited than any other to run in a machine that mulches.

You initially stated that "You've been hearing of people having engine failures with the perkins 1104-44t engine? You then went on to say you talked to "a local mulcher and he had two perkin's engine failures with his ASV's. I was thinking he didn't change the oil, operator abuse, etc. but I saw this thread. Then you went on to say, "I think this is just a small batch of engines having these early failures in ASV's., followed by another post where you said, "keeping your mulcher running is hard enough without ASV/Perkins having design problems.

All of this was based off of a thread with one guy stating he had had a machine throw a rod at 862 hours. I don't know about most, but I've seen a lot of engine and pump failures over the years at the Bobcat dealership, and typically they fail very early if they are defective.

BTW...the guy with the engine failure that started the other post had three other ASVs in the past that he was please with, and another guy in the same thread had two with around 3300 hours with no problems.

My only point is that you made these comments based off of a couple pieces of incomplete information. I simply disagreed with you based on such a small sample. This doesn't make me right and it doesn稚 make me wrong, although I may be proven to be one of either.

 

[Heavyduty]

I don't necessarily have a problem with someone saying anything negative about ASV/Perkins, or any other brand for that matter. We all have our favorites; I知 particular to Bobcat and ASV since I sold over 1000 Bobcats through the years, and now own a S220 and a RC50.

You're correct that I don't mulch for a living, but I do know a few guys that do. I also don't disrespect all those who work hard for a living. I'm merely disagreeing with your assertion that the Perkins engine is any less suited than any other to run in a machine that mulches.

You initially stated that "You've been hearing of people having engine failures with the perkins 1104-44t engine? You then went on to say you talked to "a local mulcher and he had two perkin's engine failures with his ASV's. I was thinking he didn't change the oil, operator abuse, etc. but I saw this thread. Then you went on to say, "I think this is just a small batch of engines having these early failures in ASV's., followed by another post where you said, "keeping your mulcher running is hard enough without ASV/Perkins having design problems.

All of this was based off of a thread with one guy stating he had had a machine throw a rod at 862 hours. I don't know about most, but I've seen a lot of engine and pump failures over the years at the Bobcat dealership, and typically they fail very early if they are defective.

BTW...the guy with the engine failure that started the other post had three other ASVs in the past that he was please with, and another guy in the same thread had two with around 3300 hours with no problems.

My only point is that you made these comments based off of a couple pieces of incomplete information. I simply disagreed with you based on such a small sample. This doesn't make me right and it doesn稚 make me wrong, although I may be proven to be one of either.

That's fine, no problem. I see where you are coming from.:thumbsup:

 

[Bison]

A new machine should be able to keep its self cool, don't ya think. :laughing:

Bison and Digdeep, all you won't do is argue with anyone in this thread that has anything negative to say about ASV/perkins. You don't mulch for a living, either. Who are you to disrespect these people who work hard for a living. Why don't yall hit the road, and don't come back.

I don't know what you get so riled up about.
I HAVE one of these ASV's myself with the Perkins in it.
It don't friggin matter what equipment an engine runs in.Any one can/will overheat if the rad gets clogged,new or not.
If you know your machine is prone to getting hot,then keep an eye on it.
THAT IS WHAT THE FRIGGIN GAUGE IS FOR,
When a operator desides to ignore that little gadget then don't be surpriced if the thing blows up.

I do mulch,altough not for a living, but i know when to back off when it gets to tough
for that engine.

 

[Heavyduty]

I don't know what you get so riled up about.
I HAVE one of these ASV's myself with the Perkins in it.
It don't friggin matter what equipment an engine runs in.Any one can/will overheat if the rad gets clogged,new or not.
If you know your machine is prone to getting hot,then keep an eye on it.
THAT IS WHAT THE FRIGGIN GAUGE IS FOR,
When a operator desides to ignore that little gadget then don't be surpriced if the thing blows up.

I do mulch,altough not for a living, but i know when to back off when it gets to tough
for that engine.

Sure, whatever you say dude.

 

[slowzuki]

I know if I hire someone to operate my tractor to mow a field, and don't tell him different, he will run that tractor until it stops. The average Joe won't think, hey the needles getting a bit high. They tend to think, oh I'm almost done, he doesn't pay me enough to worry about that stuff, he just wants the job done.

I'm guilty myself of pushing a machine with clogged rad to get the day done, AC goes off, heater goes full on, doors open, slow down so the engine isn't working so hard etc. Its pretty darned easy to cook something from doing that.

It looks like most of the Perkins failures in the ASV have to do with oil loss at some point, and cooling second. That doesn't mean that Perkins motor is junk.

 

[tonyoz]

My RC100 was fitted with a Murphy temp gauge and wired to an alarm by the agent as part of the package.When that went off you couldn't sit in the cab. The mounting position of the factory gauges is all wrong for a mulcher setup in the fact that you are looking down watching were you are going, watching the mulcher head working etc and very seldom look up at the top of the cab. The Rayco C140 has the same issues as far as cab layout is concerned and I have mounted a temp and oil pressure gauge near the control levers and now able to keep a better eye on things.:thumbsup:

 

[Heavyduty]

My RC100 was fitted with a Murphy temp gauge and wired to an alarm by the agent as part of the package.When that went off you couldn't sit in the cab. The mounting position of the factory gauges is all wrong for a mulcher setup in the fact that you are looking down watching were you are going, watching the mulcher head working etc and very seldom look up at the top of the cab. The Rayco C140 has the same issues as far as cab layout is concerned and I have mounted a temp and oil pressure gauge near the control levers and now able to keep a better eye on things.:thumbsup:

Yeah, that's a good idea. I had a murphy temp guage set up to shut the engine down on one of my tractors. Saved me a couple times.

 

[treeman40]

Been on vacation .wow.Nobody said perkins are junk.ASVs are junk and there made to work a couple hours a day on a fence row . if you like them so much i can hook you up with a couple .

 

[Digdeep]

Been on vacation .wow.Nobody said perkins are junk.ASVs are junk and there made to work a couple hours a day on a fence row . if you like them so much i can hook you up with a couple .

Oh yeah, I remember you now.

You're the one that had four engines go bad in three machines, only to now say (after three turns in the barrel) they're only good for landscaping. Hey....wanna buy a bridge, or better yet, some ocean front property ;-)....it's got lots of fence row.

I'm not gonna rehash this whole thing again, but I will point out that in post #43 you said, "IM in the mulching bus and theres a problem with the engines i keep blowing up in a asv.".

Of course I'm just yanking your chain. Out of curiosity, why didn't you buy another brand after the first engine, or the second machine?

 

[treeman40]

yeah i have several different kinds of machines.

 

[jamesn]

try a little pm, boys. if the temp gauge reads hot, shut it down, not off but turn the head off and let it idle to cool down,.... ive never had a roblem with perkins engines. a 100 hp machine is not much, 4-7 inch trees is all it can handle. slow down and dont heat up the machine.

 

[Bluto1954]

First off, the ASV RC or PT 100 machine that is used for brush cutting or mulching needs to have its radiator blown out at least once a day and, gently, washed out once a week. Any real dirty conditions that the high flow is used contstantly will cause overheating if the radiator is not kept clean. If you look at the inside, fan side, of the radiator, on a machine with overheating problems, chances are that you will see the fins on the outer 4 inches bent over...in a circle, with a clear center section about the size of a baketball. This outer portion of the radiator, on ASV's, constitutes about 85% of its cooling ability. The fins are beaten over by debris and atomized pitch that is circulated inside the fan screen, thus the importance of keeping the radiator and shroud area as clean as possible. Once these cooling fins are bent down you loose 20 to 40 percent of the machines cooling ability even with a clean radiator. The machine will run just fine with a dirt bucket, but as soon as you stress it by working it with heavy high flow work, you will see overheating.

 

[tonyoz]

The other thing that happens with any machine driving a mulcher is the sap from the vegetation is sucked into the cooler along with dust. When you start having overheating problems even though you regularly blow out the cooler it more than likley time to pull the cooler out and give it an acid bath.It worked for me:thumbsup: