MF 1643, Kioti dk40se, JD 4120 & Kubota MX5100

[IslandTractor]

You may be right in that if the budget is limited to the lower priced units there would be more room for other implements. That said the 110tlb is a compact based TLB (based on the 4600 IIRC). Before I had the 4520 I used the 110 with 3PH quite a bit and the extra weight and hydraulics are a good combination. The only issue with the 110tlb is the fixed loader, if you foresee needing a unit with the fel completely removed it won't work.

I looked up the Woods backhoe, seems to be a nice unit but you have to anchor this down to get the full potentionial of the digging forces. I will venture that these new backhoes such as yours are way better than they used to be. My 110tlb with Laurin cab weighs 8050 lbs, some of the money is in the extra material. The 110tlb with standard canopy and 10' hoe weighs about 7600 lbs, without the hoe the tractor loader with 3PH is about 6000 lbs. without rear weights or ballast.

My point in mentioning this is that the 110's ability to perform as a 3PH tractor are often overlooked by most people on this forum. With three front and three rear hydraulic circuits it makes a good utility tractor.

I am not disagreeing at all about the capabilities of the 110 but there is a premium for some of those nice features. The Woods BH90x is mounted via four points to a subframe so is probably about as stable a set up as with the 110 (I've never looked closely at the 110 BH mount though). My tractor in TLB configuration (no cab) also weighs about 7000lbs before ballast so is not a light weight either. Both the Kioti and JD are close enough to the limits of a 10K trailer that being any heavier would be a disadvantage. I paid a few Franklin's more than 30K for the tractor/loader/BH/canopy and extra rear remotes. The loader is rated at 2700lbs lift at PP (same as JD) and the BH digging force is a bit more than 3700lbs if I recall correctly which is 2000 lb less than the JD. The JD will also have a 24 inch longer reach (important for digging foundations etc). The biggest differences then functionally are all related to the bigger backhoe on the JD. The JD does come with 2 function hydraulics for the loader standard (cost me $500 to add that to my tractor).

IMO the real benefit of the dedicated TLBs are for "everyday" BH use especially for digging foundations as that is what they are optomized for anyway. Wish I had a 4 point ROPS. If I were a contractor I'd be comparing the 110 to the L39 and M56 but each of those comes with a premium over equivalent HP CUT plus BH so there needs to be a reason to spend the extra dough on "commercial" BH size and features. Also consider that as the JD is a commercial machine JD doesn't give as generous a warranty. My Kioti has a 4 year warranty standard (2 total plus 2 more powertrain).

Edit: I just used the pricing function on the JD website and get a list of $48K for the JD110 with buckets and 4 year/1000hr warranty. Assuming a 10% discount that still leaves more than a $10-12K difference v a new DK40se TLB. You are right though that compared to the JD4120 TLB there is only a 5K upcharge to the JD110.

 

[jenkinsph]

A fully equipped 110tlb is about $52k to $53k with all hydraulics and 7 function hoe. With an 18% discount (I actually received an $11,000 discount in 2005) and $53,000 msrp today thats about $43,500. That includes other options such as stabilizer guards for the cylinders, back up alarm,beacon strobe, additional work lights, quick coupler rear bucket. I also priced it with a heavy duty front bucket with bolt on replacement blade top and tilt 3 PH and just about everything but a radio (I can't stand them).

I looked up the DK40SE tractor which looks good by the way and with your fel the weight is about 5000 lbs, how much does the backhoe weigh? The 110 hoe weighs about 1600 lbs approximately.

 

[Kyle241]

The JD 110TLB is a great TLB and Kubota's L45 is a head to head competitor. The M59 is a whole other animal IMHO. All great machines with a premium price but all are heavy duty with greater capacities. Unless you are using a BH a lot, then the above models are a premium price to pay whereas the DK40SE or MX5100 with a BH will do nicely for the majority of tractor owners. If price was not a factor, yes I would go with a TLB (L45 is my choice) but reality is, an extra $8-10k is a lot these days.

 

[daveinnh]

Dimpsy:

A little off-topic, but I see that most dealers equip their stock with R-4 tires. The Fox State forest here in Hillsboro bought a Kubota with cab and R-4 tires a few years ago, but their wasn't enuff clearance to mount chains.

FYI, I have ag tires on a Kubota L4310 and mount chains for winter plowing.

 

[jenkinsph]

The JD 110TLB is a great TLB and Kubota's L45 is a head to head competitor. The M59 is a whole other animal IMHO. All great machines with a premium price but all are heavy duty with greater capacities. Unless you are using a BH a lot, then the above models are a premium price to pay whereas the DK40SE or MX5100 with a BH will do nicely for the majority of tractor owners. If price was not a factor, yes I would go with a TLB (L45 is my choice) but reality is, an extra $8-10k is a lot these days.

If all the weekend hobby types want to be judicious in an economic sense it would be far cheaper for these people to either sub the tractor work out or live on a small lot with a push mower. While a tlb may be a little more money I see people all around me buying up Escalades and Navigators and these aren't necessary for basic transportation. Five or so years ago these same people were satisfied with Suburbans and Tahoes.

 

[crazyal]

If you liked the Kubota I would make the dealer an offer, maybe a thousand or two lower than what he's asking and see if you can met him somewhere. You can play the game of which tractor I should buy but at the end of the day you will run around in circles because they are all good. Plus you will never know exactly what you really need until you own one and get some seat time.

 

[IslandTractor]

I looked up the DK40SE tractor which looks good by the way and with your fel the weight is about 5000 lbs, how much does the backhoe weigh? The 110 hoe weighs about 1600 lbs approximately.

tractor: 3847lbs
FEL: 1082lbs with bucket
BH90x: Base unit 1305#, sub-frame 475#, and 18" bucket 146#

Total: 6855lbs without ballast. With approx 100 gallons of tire ballast total would be 7655lbs. Wouldn't want anything heavier on a 10,000lb trailer myself.

By the way, I mistakenly used the Kioti BH digging figures in my earlier post; the Woods BH90x has 5000lbs of bucket digging force which is only a bit less than the JD110.

 

[jenkinsph]

tractor: 3847lbs
FEL: 1082lbs with bucket
BH90x: Base unit 1305#, sub-frame 475#, and 18" bucket 146#

Total: 6855lbs without ballast. With approx 100 gallons of tire ballast total would be 7655lbs. Wouldn't want anything heavier on a 10,000lb trailer myself.

By the way, I mistakenly used the Kioti BH digging figures in my earlier post; the Woods BH90x has 5000lbs of bucket digging force which is only a bit less than the JD110.

Thanks for finding the weights and listing them, thats a heavy hoe for sure.
I don't have any ballast in my tires so I can use the hoe to cross ditches and position the machine. Thats some good digging force numbers, should do a good job for you.

I haul mine on a 12,000 lb trailer with a Ford F550, I think my limit is 9,400 lbs. One thing I don't do is overload any of my trucks or trailers, I think that is senseless.

 

[Kyle241]

If all the weekend hobby types want to be judicious in an economic sense it would be far cheaper for these people to either sub the tractor work out or live on a small lot with a push mower. While a tlb may be a little more money I see people all around me buying up Escalades and Navigators and these aren't necessary for basic transportation. Five or so years ago these same people were satisfied with Suburbans and Tahoes.

Steve,

Don't disagree at all. I have a TLB now and really want to upgrade to another TLB as I agree that they are worth it. As for those buying Escalades and Navigators, well they can wait for $4-5/g gas because it's coming. Up here we already have $4.50/g gas and I wouldn't want their bill. Buy I digress, we are getting off topic. I believe the OP will be very happy with the Kioti or Kubota, I do not have experience with the others but they are good makes. I prefer orange.

 

[mike69440]

Value, bottom line is not that what this should be about?

If you buy new, after reading all of this and owning a L39, I'd recommend the Kubota MX5100 with a Wood's 9' Hoe. That is a real good price. Get the HD bucket too!
Although a good tractor, that kind of money for a Kioti is crazy.
Who do they think they are? JD?
IMHO MF loaders are weak.
If you want something bigger then the M59 is a versitle choice, but I don't see the value. I'd look at a used Case or other small sized real TLB. Whole different machine.