Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me?

   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #41  
Diamondpilot made a good and also very true statement. This is not directed to bash law enforcement officers either. Much of the laws are often somewhat of an interpretation. In almost every case here in Illinois state troopers are by far the most knowledgeable when it comes to DOT issues. County and even more so local law enforcement persons are far less informed. Of course it doesn't help that the laws are written such that they are confusing. Also it would be great if the laws could be consistent from state to state. A phone call to the DOT ahead of time never hurts either.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me?
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#42  
Thanks all, its great reading. Please keep it coming.

cabinet - nice cab on that m59! Can you pop the doors off in nice weather?

I'm thinking bumperpull, and don't push the limits. Going to do a little research on the 10k/12k/14k trailers. I'm sure gooseneck is better for max towing, but in the end the Toyota has a much better tow capacity than bed capacity. Seems like it would be really easy to overload the bed with a gooseneck.

Anyone know where I can get actual info on private towing in VA? Haven't had much luck so far, I'm thinking of driving to a weigh station. I do understand - this website probably has 90% of the countries supply of people who own (and tow) heavy equipment for private, non-farm, use. I'm guessing most of the people who tow m59s around are commercial...

Was planning on putting timbrens on. Next question is deckover or lowboy. Do you really lose that much ability to go sideways with a lowboy? I'll search for a thread, there's probably one out there..
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #43  
Thanks all, its great reading. Please keep it coming.

cabinet - nice cab on that m59! Can you pop the doors off in nice weather?

I'm thinking bumperpull, and don't push the limits. Going to do a little research on the 10k/12k/14k trailers. I'm sure gooseneck is better for max towing, but in the end the Toyota has a much better tow capacity than bed capacity. Seems like it would be really easy to overload the bed with a gooseneck.

Anyone know where I can get actual info on private towing in VA? Haven't had much luck so far, I'm thinking of driving to a weigh station. I do understand - this website probably has 90% of the countries supply of people who own (and tow) heavy equipment for private, non-farm, use. I'm guessing most of the people who tow m59s around are commercial...

Was planning on putting timbrens on. Next question is deckover or lowboy. Do you really lose that much ability to go sideways with a lowboy? I'll search for a thread, there's probably one out there..

Again, this is just my take on it. I have a low boy 18' trailer. I did not want a deck over because I had one and know there are limitations to it also. Height being one and load angle being the other. A big use of my trailer has been hauling Corvettes for my dad and uncle. There is no way I could get one on a deck over, barely clears a low boy. I also haul lots of stuff like building materials, mulch, ect. Climbing on and off would be a pain if it were a deck over.

As for hauling pallets, yes the deck over is easier but I have gotten by with no issues with my low boy. I just take along a 8-10' 4x4. Put pallet one on the back of the trailer, back up forklift, put 4x4 between it and the pallet and push it forwards. I have hauled 3 pallets at a time on my trailer using this method. A link of chain get it to the back of the trailer when its time to unload.

For all the times I have used my trailer in the 8 years I had it I have hauled pallets maybe 10 times. So not that big of a deal.


Here are the towing laws I have for Virginia.

Maximum Speed Limit: 55
Maximum Dimensions for trailer:N/A'L x 8'6"W x 13'6"H
Maximum Length with Trailer:60'
Minimum Weight requiring Separate Trailer Brakes:3000
Trailer Equipment Requirements:
Safety Chains:Y
Brakelights:Y
Taillights:Y
Clearance Lights:Y (If over 7' high and 7' wide)
License Light:Y
Turn Signals:Y
Reflectors:Y
Flares:Y
Breakaway Brakes: Y
Tiedowns:Y
Two Trailers:N
Insurance:Y
Wide Trailer Permit Phone Number: 804-786-2787 Wire: 804-766-7074


Chris
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #44  
Charles,

Regardless of the trailer you decide to get, make sure you pay attention to the gross weights and gross combinations to ensure you comply with your local laws.

From what I can tell (after hours of reading and talking to the different authorities for my state, NJ), it really boils down to this:

-You can basically have whatever trailer you want; HOWEVER, you just might need a CDL and/or a USDOT number to pull it about.

My understanding is that the states are supposed to copy the federal CDL standards. Some states interpret these differently, and it can be REALLY confusing. Some states say you need a CDL if your trailer is greater than 10K GVW...regardless of the GVW of the truck. Others say the 10K rule only applies when your combined gross weight of truck and trailer exceed 26K (like NJ).

Here's the best part! The laws are so **** confusing that we spend hours debating them online and nobody knows for sure what's allowed or not! Not even the COPS! It's really a joke. For example, NJ is made up of something like 566 municipalities, most of which have their own police depts, 21 counties, most of which have their own sheriffs depts., and the NJ state police. So, in my town 3 different sets of cops can write me up for a moving violation....and I've called them all and got DIFFERENT answers about the rules!

The answer I chose to go by was from the NJ State police division that actually sets up checkpoints to weigh trucks. They say if your combined GROSS weight of truck and trailer exceeds 26k, you need a CDL. It doesn't matter if the trailer is 20k GVW and the truck is 6K, or if the truck is 20K and the trailer is 6K, once you break 26K in combination, you need a CDL. This gets more complicated when you factor in that NJ cares more about how the truck is REGISTERED with the state rather than what the stickers really say! And, if you use the truck commercially, you have to register it differently. Anyway, that's just NJ.

My point in saying all this, be careful when crossing state lines. Make sure you're legal in the state you're going through, not just the state you live in.

Regarding the M59, I would bet that you need a CDL to pull an M59 around in most states, because any trailer that can do it will need to be over 10K GVW.

Lowboy vs. deckover...I think that depends on how often you will side load the trailer. The wheel wells do get in the way, but you can usually work around them or put some big pressure treated wood stock in the middle to raise up the deck. When it comes to loading equipment or vehicles, I like having the low deck much better than a deckover. Overall, I vote for lowboy.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #45  
My point in saying all this, be careful when crossing state lines. Make sure you're legal in the state you're going through, not just the state you live in.

I thought that as long as you were legal in the state where you were licensed and registered then you were legal in all states.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #46  
I thought that as long as you were legal in the state where you were licensed and registered then you were legal in all states.

When operating interstate you fall under a whole different set of rules, These rules have been adopted by most states for intrastate as well.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #47  
When operating interstate you fall under a whole different set of rules, These rules have been adopted by most states for intrastate as well.

Is that true if you are registered as a private vehicle "Not for Hire"?
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #48  
My understanding is that the states are supposed to copy the federal CDL standards. Some states interpret these differently, and it can be REALLY confusing. Some states say you need a CDL if your trailer is greater than 10K GVW...regardless of the GVW of the truck. Others say the 10K rule only applies when your combined gross weight of truck and trailer exceed 26K (like NJ).

Can you name one?

Here's the best part! The laws are so **** confusing that we spend hours debating them online and nobody knows for sure what's allowed or not! Not even the COPS! It's really a joke. For example, NJ is made up of something like 566 municipalities, most of which have their own police depts, 21 counties, most of which have their own sheriffs depts., and the NJ state police. So, in my town 3 different sets of cops can write me up for a moving violation....and I've called them all and got DIFFERENT answers about the rules!

IMO opinion the rules are not that confusing if they have been read and accepted. It seems to me that they are most confusing to people that have not read them and/or are trying to bend them so that they are not included by them.

The answer I chose to go by was from the NJ State police division that actually sets up checkpoints to weigh trucks. They say if your combined GROSS weight of truck and trailer exceeds 26k, you need a CDL. It doesn't matter if the trailer is 20k GVW and the truck is 6K, or if the truck is 20K and the trailer is 6K, once you break 26K in combination, you need a CDL. This gets more complicated when you factor in that NJ cares more about how the truck is REGISTERED with the state rather than what the stickers really say! And, if you use the truck commercially, you have to register it differently. Anyway, that's just NJ.

That is true for the most part except for the "once you break 26K in combination, you need a CDL" part. Breaking the 26k threshold is only half the equation. 20k trailer + 7k truck = CDL. 20k truck + 7k trailer = No CDL.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #49  
Is that true if you are registered as a private vehicle "Not for Hire"?

For hire or not make no difference. I am a not for hire private carrier and have to abide by these rules.

Some vehicles/drivers are exempt like RVs.
 
   / Gooseneck v. Bumper trailer for me? #50  
For hire or not make no difference. I am a not for hire private carrier and have to abide by these rules.

Some vehicles/drivers are exempt like RVs.

That's a surprise,.. I always thought when you were registered as a private vehicle you only had to meet the requirements of your home state.

Example.... California has more strict emission laws. However I can drive through California with my vehicle with less emission equipment.

Florida allows 20% window tint, CT none. When I moved from FL to CT I could have the tint on the windows until I changed registration.

I always assumed this concept we true for towing as well.
 

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