Getting Kubota TLB L46. Need some help

[Duffster]

I never said you need a C.D.L you need the proper endorsements. What ever they may be for your class.

And what would that be.

Class A is not an endorsement. It is a class of DL. Class A is the same vehicle group whether it is a commercial DL or a non Commercial DL.

 

[Tailrotor]

No need to get in a pissing macth, just back your statement with facts.

What you have stated is not true and I have shown why it is not.

Continous repitition on your behalf does not make it true.

BTW Even if what you say was true I could still drive that through PA because I would fall under federal regulation.

What ever. You Sir do this to every poster on this forum and I have read hundreds of post on here that you have intervened and start trouble. Because you are aways right. Your not, your wrong the Federal government does not run my state maybe yours but not mine. They are only a guide period!! The rules and regs change from year to year and can change from month to month. And are set by the states D.O.T.

And you have proved nothing to no one. If fact you have misinform many people. As I have stated if anyone plans on towing contact your state D.O.T Do not think for a minute that your under 26k and you are legal in all case's because you will lose.

 

[Duffster]

What ever. You Sir do this to every poster on this forum and I have read hundreds of post on here that you have intervened and start trouble. Because you are aways right. Your not, your wrong the Federal government does not run my state maybe yours but not mine. They are only a guide period!! The rules and regs change from year to year and can change from month to month. And are set by the states D.O.T.

And you have proved nothing to no one. If fact you have misinform many people. As I have stated if anyone plans on towing contact your state D.O.T Do not think for a minute that your under 26k and you are legal in all case's because you will lose.

You continue to lack FACTS.

 

[Tailrotor]

You continue to lack FACTS.

And you have posted so many. Good luck ,Good night.

 

[Duffster]

And you have posted so many. Good luck ,Good night.

Do you honestly think that truckers need different DLs for different states?

 

[Tailrotor]

Do you honestly think that truckers need different DLs for different states?

OK here is another man's wisdom and I have many more I can post. Just do a search and you will see hundreds of post on the web that say the same thing I have already said. But hey we must all be wrong because you can't be as you have already stated.

OK, so without a cdl license you can tow a 10,000 trailer. That's 10k total load with trailer and tractor combined. I have a 10k trailer and it weighs around 1800 lbs. That means that i can tow a tractor that weighs no more than 8200 lbs. 1800 + 8200 = 10,000lbs.

If the tag (little plate from the manufacturer) says the trailer is 10,000 pound gross weight you're ok. If it says 12,000lbs you aren't.

My tractor with all the implements (loader and backhoe) weighs 6900. I took it to the local truck stop and weighed it. I'm ok and legal.

The other piece about the 26000 lbs goes like this. You cannot exceed the combined weight of truck and trailer of 26000lbs. So if you have a 10000lb trailer, the largest truck you can tow it with would be say an f-450. The f-450 has a gvw of 15000. So 15000 (truck) + 10000 (trailer) = 25000lbs combined.

You could drive a truck with a gvw as high as 26000lbs without a cdl but you couldn't legally pull a trailer with that truck withot a cdl.

Thanks for allowing me to confuse you more.

I think you are confused

 

[Tailrotor]

Do you honestly think that truckers need different DLs for different states?

An another man that has it right.

always thought the CDL was for GVW weight over 26,001K?

If it were GVW over 10K on the trailer, then there are a whole bunch of us in the wrong and I don't think that is the case.

Here in AZ, I have a trailer rigged up for potable water that I use commercially for drinking water when we have a forrest fire. I have to pay more for the tags for the weight on the plate...but that is different that a CDL. Maybe it is the commercial weight of the trailer you are referring to?

Techprof
techprof105-03-2005, 01:40 PM
Definately interesting. My curiosity let me to call DMV. Disregard my previos post as I was wrong...Ohh I hate saying that. I'll post a clarification later after I get another Q answered. I think I'll be taking a trip to DMV for a class "A".techprof105-03-2005, 08:00 PM

OK AZ is a Class A CDL only if your GVCW exceeds 26000 or if your trailer weighs more than 10K. The fine is AZ is $3 per pound. So, I will be getting my Class A CDL.-:t


But we must all be wrong.

 

[Duffster]

:laughing:Where are the facts?

OK, so without a cdl license you can tow a 10,000 trailer.

Sure.

That's 10k total load with trailer and tractor combined. I have a 10k trailer and it weighs around 1800 lbs. That means that i can tow a tractor that weighs no more than 8200 lbs. 1800 + 8200 = 10,000lbs.

It actually doesn't matter what it weighs since it based off of GVWR.

If the tag (little plate from the manufacturer) says the trailer is 10,000 pound gross weight you're ok. If it says 12,000lbs you aren't.

The 12k GVWR trailer is OK as long as the GVWR of the truck is 14k or less.

The other piece about the 26000 lbs goes like this. You cannot exceed the combined weight of truck and trailer of 26000lbs. So if you have a 10000lb trailer, the largest truck you can tow it with would be say an f-450. The f-450 has a gvw of 15000. So 15000 (truck) + 10000 (trailer) = 25000lbs combined.

Not true and you know so. I can go dig up the past posts from you yourself if you would like me to.

If the trailer is only 10k GVWR you can tow it with a truck with a 26k GVWR or less.

You could drive a truck with a gvw as high as 26000lbs without a cdl but you couldn't legally pull a trailer with that truck withot a cdl.

See previous statement

Thanks for allowing me to confuse you more.

I think you are confused

The only thing confusing is the format of your posts.

 

[Duffster]

An another man that has it right.

always thought the CDL was for GVW weight over 26,001K?

If it were GVW over 10K on the trailer, then there are a whole bunch of us in the wrong and I don't think that is the case.

Here in AZ, I have a trailer rigged up for potable water that I use commercially for drinking water when we have a forrest fire. I have to pay more for the tags for the weight on the plate...but that is different that a CDL. Maybe it is the commercial weight of the trailer you are referring to?

Techprof
techprof105-03-2005, 01:40 PM
Definately interesting. My curiosity let me to call DMV. Disregard my previos post as I was wrong...Ohh I hate saying that. I'll post a clarification later after I get another Q answered. I think I'll be taking a trip to DMV for a class "A".techprof105-03-2005, 08:00 PM

OK AZ is a Class A CDL only if your GVCW exceeds 26000 or if your trailer weighs more than 10K. The fine is AZ is $3 per pound. So, I will be getting my Class A CDL.-:t


But we must all be wrong.

Again, Facts? Finding someone that agrees with you doesn't prove anything. If that was true we would be done here because jonavan agrees with me.

Here is an example of Facts.

Vehicle groups and endorsements

ｧ 383.91Commercial motor vehicle groups.
(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:
Code of Federal Regulations207
(1) Combination vehicle (Group A)輸ny combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).
(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)輸ny single vehicle with a GVWR of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) GVWR.
(3) Small Vehicle (Group C)輸ny single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that meets neither the definition of Group A nor that of Group B as contained in this section, but that either is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which require the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous Materials Regulations

Commercial motor vehicle groups. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA even the answers question point blank for people that can't read.

Question 2: Is a driver of a combination vehicle with a Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) of less than 26,001 pounds required to obtain a CDL even if the trailer Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is more than 10,000 pounds?

Guidance: No, because the Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) is less than 26,001 pounds.

Interpretation for 383.91: - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

They even made a picture if that wasn't enough.

 

[Tailrotor]

:laughing:Where are the facts?



Sure.



It actually doesn't matter what it weighs since it based off of GVWR.



The 12k GVWR trailer is OK as long as the GVWR of the truck is 14k or less.



Not true and you know so. I can go dig up the past posts from you yourself if you would like me to.

If the trailer is only 10k GVWR you can tow it with a truck with a 26k GVWR or less.



See previous statement



The only thing confusing is the format of your posts.

You really are A PIECE OF WORK! Read what it says over 10k trailer let me say it sloooow for you. The 26k applies to a single vehicle or truck and trailer combined. Then READ or,or,or a trailer in excess of 10k. Which in this case the orignal poster would need a trailer rated at over 10k to haul around a M59. I tried but I just can't fix stupid!!