How much vehicle to tow Deere 410C Backhoe

[Jaspell]

I have tried to search this forum and am left just plain confused. I want to add a backhoe to my company and have settled on a Deere 410C. (15,000#). Obvioulsy I need a trailer and a vehicle to tow it to jobs. Can someone give me some idead of how much truck/trailer I need for this gig.

I am tempted to just go out and buy a Mack Dump or a Ford LN9000 but I'm afraid that may be overkill. What sort of truck and trailer would you guys recommend. Air brakes?

My jobs are within 20 mile radius of shop but include some significant hilly terrain.

Thanks.

Current holdings
1994 F-250 4x4
1997 F-350 4x4
1997 F-450 Dump, Mason Body
1997 F-450 2x2 Stake Body

 

[Red Horse]

IMO, First choice? I would look for an old single axle Mack- R-600 or U-600. Ideal truck would have a 237 horse Maxidyne and a six speed low hole trans. the 6 speed might be a stretch so you would probbly have to settle for a 5 speed. This truck would be late seventies, early 80's and you should be able to find a decent one for under 10 grand. Most of these out there would have been tractors (the 5 speeds) in their original life and then they were converted to dump service.

As for the Fords, likewise plenty of old Ford LN -9000 tractors are still running around that have been converted to dump trucks. Even an LN 8000 with the 7.8 Ford or if its newer, an 8.3 Cummins will do the job. As for trailers, don't get anything less than a 10 ton tag trailer. Also don't rule out an International in particular if it has a DT 466. Plenty of power for what you want to do.

 

[hosspuller]

You need to look at the Gross Combined Weight Rating of your trucks. The GCWR is the total weight of truck, trailer and load. It is the legal max. Get into an accident when you're over that max and the lawyers will take you to the cleaners as you're overloaded. Go very far over and then you're into gross negligence with matching penalties $$$$$.

Then look at the weight of a trailer that carry the 410C. Add it all up with a bit extra for tools, attachments and "stuff". That will determine how much truck you'll need.

 

[flusher]

I have tried to search this forum and am left just plain confused. I want to add a backhoe to my company and have settled on a Deere 410C. (15,000#). Obvioulsy I need a trailer and a vehicle to tow it to jobs. Can someone give me some idead of how much truck/trailer I need for this gig.

I am tempted to just go out and buy a Mack Dump or a Ford LN9000 but I'm afraid that may be overkill. What sort of truck and trailer would you guys recommend. Air brakes?

My jobs are within 20 mile radius of shop but include some significant hilly terrain.

Thanks.

Current holdings
1994 F-250 4x4
1997 F-350 4x4
1997 F-450 Dump, Mason Body
1997 F-450 2x2 Stake Body

This is the rig my local backhoe contractor uses



Seems to work OK for him.

Good luck

 

[Jaspell]

Red,
You and i are on the same page. Those were exactly the vintage Macks I had in mind. I note you are in Mass. I am in CT. If I'm driving the vehicle myself with the tow load, do you know if a CDL is required?

thanks.

 

[RickB]

Red,
If I'm driving the vehicle myself with the tow load, do you know if a CDL is required?

thanks.

Absolutely. Medical card, DOT safety inspection on equipment, etc, etc. You are entering a whole new world of paperwork and expense.

 

[Red Horse]

Absolutely. Medical card, DOT safety inspection on equipment, etc, etc. You are entering a whole new world of paperwork and expense.

Right on- to add to that, the key is the GVW of the trailer. Once you go over 10,000 lbs. GVW on the trailer, you need a class one-at least here in MA. You can buy a 73,000 lb triaxle dump and you just need a class 2. You could even pull a skid steer trailer with that big truck and its ok. But once you put a trailer on it that is over 10,000 lbs- which you will need to pull a 410- you need a class one.

Good luck.

As for Rick's point on the medical- I don't think anyone would bother you-but if you run I-84 say up near the MA line and the Coop is open-chances are they might ask to see it.

 

[SixHoeBob]

Then there is the friendly guys of DOT. When they check over your truck, trailer, and load, your day will go south. EVERYTHING must me in good working order, and the load properly secured. The trailer pictured above is too short for hauling the JD. When hauling, both buckets must be sitting on the deck.

If you buy a truck, make sure it is geared low enough for hills and site work. Some road tractors are not.

I would look at buying a 35 size mini-excavator, so you can move it with a 10K
skid-loader trailer. A 35 mini is definitely not a 410C, but it is more portable,

 

[Diamondpilot]

The cheapest way to do its is like the others stated with a older dumper. A new Ford F-350/F-450 and the new 2011 Dmax 3500 both have tow ratings north of 24,000#. I would think a GN trailer like the one I used to have with dual tandem 12,000# axles and a 25,000# GVWR would work. The trailer is going to be about 6,000# and the truck is going to be 8,000# plus your BH at 15,000#.

It will cost more than a old dumper but may be a truck you can use for other uses.

Chris

 

[lwalsh]

Reminds me of when I was a kid. There was a small time excavator that would put the bucket over the back of the dump box and raise the front wheels of his backhoe about a foot off the ground and take off down the road. No trailer required. Seems crazy now.

 

[slowzuki]

Local guy uses an old F-450 like yours to tow his stuff around using a pintle float hooked to a frame plate type hitch. Works fine for him. They are rated for something like 26,000 lb combined weight and the truck weighs about 6000-7000 lb.

Another local guy has an older F-450 with a roll off deck and he hauls up to about 8 ton on the deck but he did shear the pinion off trying to get moving in soft ground once.

 

[slowzuki]

Old trucks like that don't always have GCVWR's, some had recommended max tow ratings and axle weight ratings. Here, as long as you obey your axle weight ratings for truck and trailer, and have the appropriate registration weights paid up, they could care less if you are doing 10 mph up grades or cut driveshafts off when you try to accelerate fast.

You need to look at the Gross Combined Weight Rating of your trucks. The GCWR is the total weight of truck, trailer and load. It is the legal max. Get into an accident when you're over that max and the lawyers will take you to the cleaners as you're overloaded. Go very far over and then you're into gross negligence with matching penalties $$$$$.

Then look at the weight of a trailer that carry the 410C. Add it all up with a bit extra for tools, attachments and "stuff". That will determine how much truck you'll need.

 

[SixHoeBob]

If the goose neck trailer is over 10K you need a CDL to pull it. You can do anything you want, until something happens or you get a spot check. Then you will wish you had all of your ducks in a row.

 

[RickB]

Bottom line is this: anything you buy that can legally carry your backhoe WILL require a CDL license to drive and that equipment WILL require an annual DOT safety inspection. New, old, pintle, gooseneck or 5th wheel it doesn't matter.

If you buy a 30 year old Mack (or whatever), you had better be prepared to wrench on it to keep it in compliance.

 

[Jaspell]

Thank you all very much!

 

[flusher]

This is the rig my local backhoe contractor uses

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Seems to work OK for him.

Good luck

Forgot to mention the weight sticker you can see on Roy's truck door--45--which puts it in the 45000 lb GWR class. CDL required.

 

[Duffster]

If the goose neck trailer is over 10K you need a CDL to pull it.

Not unless the CGVWR is over 26k it doesn't.

 

[Diamondpilot]

If the goose neck trailer is over 10K you need a CDL to pull it. You can do anything you want, until something happens or you get a spot check. Then you will wish you had all of your ducks in a row.

Depends where you live.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Bottom line is this: anything you buy that can legally carry your backhoe WILL require a CDL license to drive and that equipment WILL require an annual DOT safety inspection. New, old, pintle, gooseneck or 5th wheel it doesn't matter.

If you buy a 30 year old Mack (or whatever), you had better be prepared to wrench on it to keep it in compliance.

Not here. Depends how its used. Put farm plates on it and stay within 150 miles of your property and you can have a semi if you want.

He did not say if it was for hire, he just simply asked what was needed to move it.

Chris

 

[RickB]

Not here. Depends how its used. Put farm plates on it and stay within 150 miles of your property and you can have a semi if you want.

He did not say if it was for hire, he just simply asked what was needed to move it.

Chris

Nobody said he was a farmer, or was going to fraudulently claim farm use, as many do. Hire/not for hire is a non-issue. If it is going to jobsites (clearly stated, I might add), it is a commercial use unless he can convince a cop that a 1982 Mack pulling a trailer with a Case backhoe on it is actually an RV.