CDL??

[BoFuller]

I'm looking at some used dumptrucks to use to haul some gravel for my drive and as a possible tow vehicle if I need to take my tractor somewhere.
Several of the smaller trucks (Ford F700, F-800) have listed that a Commercial Driver's License is not required. One I am looking at does not say. It is a dual axle Peterbilt 12yd dump truck. Is a CDL based on the size of the truck or does it matter what the use is? Would this truck require one? If I only use it around the ranch, is a CDL still required? If so, how hard are they to get? I live in AZ.

 

[Wacky]

Tandem axle with air brakes you will.

 

[Duffster]

I'm looking at some used dumptrucks to use to haul some gravel for my drive and as a possible tow vehicle if I need to take my tractor somewhere.
Several of the smaller trucks (Ford F700, F-800) have listed that a Commercial Driver's License is not required. One I am looking at does not say. It is a dual axle Peterbilt 12yd dump truck. Is a CDL based on the size of the truck or does it matter what the use is?

Both, but a tandem will almost always be big enough to need one.

Would this truck require one? If I only use it around the ranch, is a CDL still required?

Not if you don't go on the road.

Farm use (on road) may be exempt as well.

Tandem axle with air brakes you will.

Air brakes makes no difference.

 

[Wacky]

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Air brakes makes no difference.[/QUOTE]

No difference for what?

 

[Duffster]

No difference for what?

Air brakes don't make any difference to whether or not you need a CDL.

 

[Duffster]

I'm looking at some used dumptrucks to use to haul some gravel for my drive and as a possible tow vehicle if I need to take my tractor somewhere.
Several of the smaller trucks (Ford F700, F-800) have listed that a Commercial Driver's License is not required. One I am looking at does not say. It is a dual axle Peterbilt 12yd dump truck. Is a CDL based on the size of the truck or does it matter what the use is? Would this truck require one? If I only use it around the ranch, is a CDL still required? If so, how hard are they to get? I live in AZ.

The ones that they say don't need a CDL most likely could once a trailer, over 10k GVWR, is hooked on.

 

[Wacky]

Air brakes don't make any difference to whether or not you need a CDL.

True, but a tandem axle w/ air brakes does.

 

[Duffster]

True, but a tandem axle w/ air brakes does.

Not if it is farm use.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Just because something has air brakes does not make it CDL territory. Weight will. Unless, as Duffster mentioned you use it for farm use. In Indiana where I live you can drive a 18 wheeler if its farm plated and you are the owner or employee of the farm. Its done all the time here. Only stipulation here is you must remain in the state and you can not travel more than 150 air miles from the farm where its registered.

I live on a road with only 12 houses. There is currently 4 dump truck that all have Farm Plates. One is a International, 2 are Ford 700/800 series, and one is a GMC C60.

Chris

 

[Wacky]

Not if it is farm use.

Just because something has air brakes does not make it CDL territory. Weight will. Unless, as Duffster mentioned you use it for farm use. In Indiana where I live you can drive a 18 wheeler if its farm plated and you are the owner or employee of the farm. Its done all the time here. Only stipulation here is you must remain in the state and you can not travel more than 150 air miles from the farm where its registered.

I live on a road with only 12 houses. There is currently 4 dump truck that all have Farm Plates. One is a International, 2 are Ford 700/800 series, and one is a GMC C60.

Chris

So, you guys are saying anyone who owns a certain amount of land can go and buy an 18 wheeler and say it is for their farm, get plates and drive around 150 miles from their farm and not need a CDL license?!?!? Things must have changed a lot since I got my CDL.

 

[Arsavoie]

A CDL goes off the weight of the vehicle or total weight with a trailer unless you but farm tags on it then you dont but that may depend on the state you live in that's how it is here in texas cause I have a class A CDL

 

[Duffster]

So, you guys are saying anyone who owns a certain amount of land can go and buy an 18 wheeler and say it is for their farm, get plates and drive around 150 miles from their farm and not need a CDL license?!?!?

It actually has nothing to do with ownership of land.

You can farm without owning land and you can own land and not be a farmer. :thumbsup:

Things must have changed a lot since I got my CDL.

I doubt it but that would depend on how long ago you got it.

 

[arsenix2001]

If your truck is over 26k you will need a class b cdl. Farm exemtions will vary state by state, but will need to be approved by your dmv.

 

[farmboy12]

I know this is a hard subject, because it varies so much within the state rules as well as state to state.

I don't want to jack the thread from the OP, but we have enough licensing question threads I figured I'd ask my quick question here. If I were to have a small dump rated for say 20k. And I wanted to tow a trailer rated for say another 20k. Combined would be 40k. That's CDL. Could I get regular tags on the truck, and farm tags on the trailer and be fine on a regular license?


Kyle

 

[jdonovan]

I figured I'd ask my quick question here. If I were to have a small dump rated for say 20k. And I wanted to tow a trailer rated for say another 20k. Combined would be 40k. That's CDL. Could I get regular tags on the truck, and farm tags on the trailer and be fine on a regular license?

Its the power unit that matters.

If the GCVWR of the power unit exceeds 26,001 you need a CDL.

The farm tag on the trailer MIGHT depending on state regulations exempt you from annual safety inspections, but it does not negate a need for a CDL for the operator of the power unit.

 

[jdonovan]

Several of the smaller trucks (Ford F700, F-800) have listed that a Commercial Driver's License is not required.

Don't count on the seller to know the law. It is your responsibility to be compliant.

One I am looking at does not say. It is a dual axle Peterbilt 12yd dump truck. Is a CDL based on the size of the truck or does it matter what the use is? Would this truck require one?

Volume of the cargo area doesn't matter, weight does.... well it does for liquid tanks, but lets not go there.

Generally a dual axle truck is going to be designed for well above 26K lbs, so I'd be about 98% sure that a dual axle is going to be a CDL required vehicle.

If I only use it around the ranch, is a CDL still required? If so, how hard are they to get? I live in AZ.

Most states have a 'near the farm' exemption, check with AZ for the specifics.

 

[Army grunt]

"a class c and b cdl is the air brake endorsement. For the air brake endorsement you still need to perform the COLA-P (air brakes) test. If not, you will have only the commercial c."
Army Grunt

 

[Wacky]

Its the power unit that matters.

If the GCVWR of the power unit exceeds 26,001 you need a CDL.

The farm tag on the trailer MIGHT depending on state regulations exempt you from annual safety inspections, but it does not negate a need for a CDL for the operator of the power unit.

This is what I am trying to explain, generally ALL tandem axle trucks w/ air brakes are over 26,000 lbs GCVWR, and therefore need a CDL. You cannot go around driving 80,000lbs if you have farm tags w/out a CDL.
That is just dangerous for one thing and I couldn't imagine an insurance company that would insure such a vehicle.

 

[Duffster]

You cannot go around driving 80,000lbs if you have farm tags w/out a CDL.

Really? Show us where we are wrong.

 

[Duffster]

"a class c and b cdl is the air brake endorsement. For the air brake endorsement you still need to perform the COLA-P (air brakes) test. If not, you will have only the commercial c."
Army Grunt

That is not right.

First there is no "air brake endorsement" just a restriction. Second the restriction can be had onall three classes of CDL.