Diesel Storage Tank Setup

[Nature Girl]

The first time I put gas in my new Kubota L3700su, yes you read that right....GAS not DIESEL was because the 5 gallon tank was marked "diesel" but someone lied - imagine that. I panicked and fortunately my friend was driving by as I was lamenting over my inability to discern the different fuel types by smell, feel, burn test, etc. At least I had a gut sense something was wrong before I poured. He drained the gas tank and I watched and witnessed something I would rather NEVER experience again.

My second favorite activity (other than adding gas to my diesel tractor) is the 15 mile errand to fill my two 5 gallon Diesel tanks. So the best way to remedy that event is to buy a diesel storage tank right?

Craigslist seems to always have the magic items so I drove to Illinois and loaded the 100 gallon tank on my trailer. I asked the guy on the phone what percentage of rust was on the tank - 30% he said....hmmmm.

A friend is going to weld me a stand from the left over piping taken out of my well when we replaced the pump. The tank has a diesel nosel. But I have a few other questions about this process:

1. The tank is empty or mostly so, do I need to drain it completely? He drained all the diesel out right before I bought it.
2. Do I need to clean it out with anything?
3. I want to paint it but certainly feel a little concerned about alot of sanding - should I just Rustoleum it with a spray paint first and then add another coat? Also is there a specific color that reflects the heat and hoodlums?
4. Is there a shelf life on diesel stored in a tank like this?
5. Does anyone have a setup that they can share that works great with any recommendations?
6. Is there a perfect height the tank should sit? Since it's gravity fed I was just going to measure the height of my tractor gas tank and make it a foot or so higher.
7. Any other safety tips?

Thank you!
Nature Girl

 

[beenthere]

If I were you, or that was my tank....I wouldn't be putting anything into it. The rust on the outside is possibly just what it looks like on the inside. And the fuel may just leak right out of the tank and onto the ground. At over $4.00 a gallon, that isn't where you want it, let alone the mess it will cause on the ground.

I had a good friend who had a tank (actually looked much better than the one pictured). He had nearly 300 gallons of diesel from a new fill. Took two months vacation and returned to find just a few gallons left in the tank and a huge diesel fuel soaked ground around there.

How many gallons of fuel do you think you will need each month? I use my tractor a fair amount and have no problem bringing a 5 gal. can home about once or twice a month. I know it is fresh, and know that it is mixed right for winter usage and summer usage.

My suggestion, ditch the tank idea.

 

[fdhdan]

1. The tank is empty or mostly so, do I need to drain it completely? He drained all the diesel out right before I bought it.
2. Do I need to clean it out with anything?
3. I want to paint it but certainly feel a little concerned about alot of sanding - should I just Rustoleum it with a spray paint first and then add another coat? Also is there a specific color that reflects the heat and hoodlums?
4. Is there a shelf life on diesel stored in a tank like this?
5. Does anyone have a setup that they can share that works great with any recommendations?
6. Is there a perfect height the tank should sit? Since it's gravity fed I was just going to measure the height of my tractor gas tank and make it a foot or so higher.
7. Any other safety tips?

Thank you!
Nature Girl

If it is mainly surface rust, you should be ok, inspect it carefully, most leaks are from the hose fitting at the bottom, and not shutting the valve off when your done fueling.

1. Once again, inspect it, if it has held diesel before, and is relatively clean
inside, I wouldn't worry about it.
2. See 1, however I would add here, replace the hoses if they are cracked or bad,, didn't look to hot in the photo.
2.5 Very important,, diesel is inherently a "dirty fuel" ADD A FILTER to the outlet and change it annually,, can get them at Rig R or TSC.
3. Wire brush it, seal every opening well, and clean it good,, then bomb can it with a good primer, and paint it white or silver (reflects sun better/stays cooler) stencil "DIESEL" on the front of it so the kids don't try an fill their four wheelers with it!
4. Very long shelf life on diesel,,, esp if you use any additive,,, I started up a 1957 JD 70 diesel the other day that had been sitting in a farmers shed for 3-4 yrs, (maybe longer) and it fired on the first bump!
5. I use RR ties for the 1000 gallon tanks, but whatever you use, make sure its stable and the bulk fuel guy can get to the top easy.
6. Make it a little higher than you think you need right now,,, What if you get a bigger tractor,,, would suck to have a bulk fueling station that you have to pour into 5 gallon jugs to put in your New tractor!

7. Shut off valve at the outlet,,, I like the 1/4 turn ones that you can lock,
although I don't have a problem around here,,, (all my keys are in all my tractors and trucks!) nice to have the option!

7b. Stable and strong enough to hold the 1000 lbs or so its going to weigh full. and once again in case you missed it,,, add a FUEL FILTER to the outlet after the 1/4 turn shutoff valve! you'll be good to go!!:thumbsup:

 

[fdhdan]

Also If MO is like Washington,,, if you by off road diesel, you don't have to pay the hi-way tax on it,,, saves about .50 a gallon,,,, adds up when you fill 1000 gal tanks!:thumbsup:

Also, if anyone says don't run offroad,, unless you can get Hi-sulfur where you are, its not a big deal,, here in Washington the only difference between hiway diesel and off road is they inject a dye in it as they jobber is fueling his tanks at the bulk plant! (I asked) he told me they both come from the same tank!
Most people think off-road is hi-sulfur,,, probably not!

 

[fdhdan]

Sorry to "junk up your original question, but if you're worried about storing diesel for extended periods, you can us a biostat agent to prevent algae growth,,, and make sure your tank is clean to begin with.

Dan

 

[Chilly807]

I'm inclined to agree with beenthere on this one.

I use a 5 gallon can myself, with a siphon pump to move fuel from the can to the tractor.

Unless you can put the fueling station somewhere secure it's like asking for trouble. Any leaks are bad news too.

5 gallons will pretty much fill your 3700 when the fuel gauge shows empty, if it's like my 3400. There's a few gallons that are left in the tank, which helps to avoid running it dry.

Sean

 

[CurlyDave]

Try to sell that rusty old tank.

A lot of people will spend way too much on a fueling system, and not enough on a greasing system.

Spend your money on a good rechargeable electric grease gun (Lincoln highly recommended) and keep on using the 5 gallon containers. They work a whole lot easier if you only put 4 gallons in them.

 

[jimgerken]

On the subject of grease guns, if you do buy a rechargeable, consider the Milwaukee M12. I have had one for almost a year and it is on its original battery charge. I bought it, charged it once, used ot for the loader probably 5 times, the backhoe once, and a used disk I bought which took several tubes of grease to fill it once (probably won't ever need to grease it again). Then I used the gun last weekend to grease the lawnmower deck after the gun had sat in its case all winter. Still had battery charge indicating 3/4. All that on one charge, and over about 10 months time. And I believe it is cheaper than the Lincoln. And it does not leak oil, period.

 

[jca57jd]

Nature girl,
I think you are on the right track. Paint it with white paint to resist heat as stated before. Also I started using off road about 5 years ago and it's the best decision I have ever made. Also if your Tank is 1000 gallons then no big deal cause nobody makes the decision about how much goes in but you. And to all you other guys! Y'all should go invest in a small 50 gallon transfer tank that you can lift out of your truck with your tractor. Off road is way cheaper, and I have found it to be a lot more clean! You will be surprised on how much money it will save you! I got a 500 gallon tank and I field it up last summer and I still have over half a tank. Think about the savings with the rising fuel prices. Just my 2 cents!

 

[Car Doc]

IMHO a pickup bed storage tank is pretty handy way to get fuel and fill from.

 

[grsthegreat]

here in Idaho they wont even fill a tank like that from the fuel truck.....especially if you don't have a containment field (area) that can hold all the product that can possibly leak from the tank. I know of a few people who have empty tanks nowdaze cause they cant get them filled.

 

[beenthere]

Our OP hasn't been back for all this great reading.

 

[bunchgrass]

here in Idaho they wont even fill a tank like that from the fuel truck.....especially if you don't have a containment field (area) that can hold all the product that can possibly leak from the tank. I know of a few people who have empty tanks nowdaze cause they cant get them filled.

Does that hold true for heating oil as well? Our supplier doesn't require containment.

 

[grsthegreat]

Does that hold true for heating oil as well? Our supplier doesn't require containment.

I cant tell you that, cause i dont know anyone that uses fuel oil up here. I do know of alot of old fuel oil tanks for sale on spokane craigslist though.

All i know is i tried to get an overhead tank filled, no go. no one will fill it. They will fill a NEW transfer tank that is not permanently attached to a stand though...very odd. Must be a glitch in their codes.

 

[bunchgrass]

That's weird cause I live in N ID too and they're filling tanks out here as far as I know. Where abouts are you and what fuel company are you trying to work with? Coleman oil out of Lewiston and Kendrick deliver to said tanks.

BTW - we have a fuel oil setup we use for the times when it's not cold enough to crank up a woodstove. Tank sits on a stand on the porch.

 

[grsthegreat]

That's weird cause I live in N ID too and they're filling tanks out here as far as I know. Where abouts are you and what fuel company are you trying to work with? Coleman oil out of Lewiston and Kendrick deliver to said tanks.

BTW - we have a fuel oil setup we use for the times when it's not cold enough to crank up a woodstove. Tank sits on a stand on the porch.

CDA here. have checked with the 2 people that deliver out here. i don't know why I'm having these issues if your not. I have a friend in Mead, WA with a 300 gal farm tank, and he told me he cant get deliveries either.

 

[bunchgrass]

Dang - I hope that's not just because our area is a little slow on getting up on the regs. I do know there are restrictions on hauling waste oil that a lot of guys burn in those waste oil shop heaters. I think it's only 1 55 gallon barrel per trip w/o a hazardous waste hauler permit.

I'll ask my buddy that hauls for the local fuel guys and see what he knows about this thing. Doesn't sound good at all.

BTW - I also know folks who are getting some biodiesel from the distributor right at the terminal and hauling it in one of those 250 gallon poly totes you can buy.

 

[bunchgrass]

Hi grs,

My buddy works for Coleman Oil and he said they have a presence up in your area and would gladly deliver to you or your friend in Mead. They should be in the phone book. But just in case, PM me and I can give you a cell #.

Happy fueling.

BTW - according to him, the reg stuff has been going on for awhile but nobody knows how to monitor or enforce it so ...... also there are threshold levels of storage that "trigger" different levels of monitoring. Usually 1000 gallons is the point where they get sticky (also underground vs above).

 

[grsthegreat]

Hi grs,

My buddy works for Coleman Oil and he said they have a presence up in your area and would gladly deliver to you or your friend in Mead. They should be in the phone book. But just in case, PM me and I can give you a cell #.

Happy fueling.

BTW - according to him, the reg stuff has been going on for awhile but nobody knows how to monitor or enforce it so ...... also there are threshold levels of storage that "trigger" different levels of monitoring. Usually 1000 gallons is the point where they get sticky (also underground vs above).

i check the phone book,... thank you

EDIT: I got ahold of the guy in Lewiston and he gave me a few cell numbers. Their minimum is 100 gal, but at least they didnt seem to say theree is a problem with farm tanks. Im not sure why the 2 local shops say that there is.