Any body know whre Carey is?

[Ginormous]

Ginormous, you missed them (the coments that is) by at least a year aproaching 2...

Honestly, I'm glad I missed it...

Yes, most people will come on here because they have a question and *poof* they're gone. That's ok. Gives us interesting issues to talk about. :thumbsup: As you said, it does make it look like every tractor ever made by anyone has problems. I'm sure car forums end up looking like that too. I had a problem with our minivan, so I found a forum on that brand/model, and found the info I needed; looked like every minivan ever made had the same problem I had! In actuality, every car manufacturer makes some lemons and makes a lot of good vehicles. The difference between a reliable brand and one that's not is how likely it is to get the lemon -- or the various degrees of lemonness (no, that's not a word) vs getting a well made machine. Better stop rambling now...

 

[jerrybob]

Wow......interesting comments and lots of them. Read what you want......believe what you want.......decide what you want.....if your feelings get hurt because somebody doesn't agree with you......you should quit reading these types of forums and never get married. When my kids we're growing up......I used to tell them.......you can only control half of any relationship....that's your half! I think I have enough experience in life to decide for myself truth from fiction........what I read and believe is my choice. By the way......it's a crazy world out there!:confused2:

 

[YanmarFever]

Not everyone is like many of us and enjoy everything tractor or whatever the subject matter on a thing that your discussing and will only appear when there is a problem and not stay to help others in need going through the same. So what happens is that it seems like every type of tractor sold has a problem. Im not saying that there are as many fredericks tractors with a problem as VN. But as agreed the dealers of many VN tractors may be a used car lot, a farm feed store, some guy who just sells stuff etc and they may not be eqquiped or want to help the purchaser out as well as Spalding, or LMTC or Ernie so they come here with a problem.

Trust me there is no way every VN tractor has a problem, ever seen the pics of the yard at VN1 tractor, there are hundreds of those things and there are several big lots in the east and texas. They prolly double the fredricks capacity easy (all combined). Yes im forgetting the guy like ernie or others that may buy them a continer at the time getting 20-40 machines in at once.

Clem, the problem you left out is that the Vietnamese tractor peddlersjust want to sell you a reconditioned machine + THEY DO NOT SELL PARTS.
They just jumped on the bandwagon cause they saw an opportunity tomake a quick buck, end of story....

If you could see the pictures of the machines they buy in Japan to recondition, your jaw would hit the floor, they aren't just ugly looking (they are CRAP)
We had a Vietnamese seller set up shop near our place 5-6 yrs ago, he was telling his customers that if they had a problem with (his tractors) just bring it to Ernie's Imports, that we would gladly fix it and sell them any parts they needed..... Now is that any way to run a business ??
That is why we adopted the policy that we only repair the Yanmar's that we sold... problem solved, and they went out of business a year later.

Now ask yourself, should I recommend Vietnamese tractors ??

I could go on....

 

[clemsonfor]

Clem, the problem you left out is that the Vietnamese tractor peddlersjust want to sell you a reconditioned machine + THEY DO NOT SELL PARTS.
They just jumped on the bandwagon cause they saw an opportunity tomake a quick buck, end of story....

If you could see the pictures of the machines they buy in Japan to recondition, your jaw would hit the floor, they aren't just ugly looking (they are CRAP)
We had a Vietnamese seller set up shop near our place 5-6 yrs ago, he was telling his customers that if they had a problem with (his tractors) just bring it to Ernie's Imports, that we would gladly fix it and sell them any parts they needed..... Now is that any way to run a business ??
That is why we adopted the policy that we only repair the Yanmar's that we sold... problem solved, and they went out of business a year later.

Now ask yourself, should I recommend Vietnamese tractors ??

I could go on....

Like i said not picking sides, and i understand your frustration and that you were being undersold and those types of guys do the yanmar name no good. But should you talk some random guy who joins this forum with a problem down because he has a VN tractor. Weather he knew it before he started reading on TBN or not. The guy still has a busted regulator or a leaky 3pt or whatever. You dont have to help at all, im sure you and many others didnt after you were tired of it, but hopefully there is always someone to help those folks out with out telling them how bad a decision they made, and you better hope it works out. This is not referring to any one person on here including you or any other name mentioned but just a generalization of what i have read in the past.


I dont doubt that they buy barely parts grade tractors and splice them togeather. I have never said they did or did not. Thats the business model. I do however think there are some outstanding VN guys but there are way more of the type you describe. But anyway back to the VN tractors, this happens all the time in the Antique tractor world and i know you know that. I work with a lady who her and her husband are known in these parts as the JD people that know their stuff. They both restore JDs as a business and personal hobby. I cant tell you how many times she talks about getting a burt down wreck in and having to buy another to get the gears or axle out of etc, this is perfectly allright, now it wont be all that 1 tractor but that person knows it and thats fine, its the only way to make something out of non manufactured machines.

Look at it this way would you ever not recomend an old ford 8n just cause you knew it was the front half of one and the rear of another, just cause you did not know who put it togeather, and i will say that this had been done 8 yrs ago and the thing has 300 hours on it since. This is the logic some on here use. Again i dont doubt that VN have a higher share of problems due to the quality of work. But why talk down a tractor that has been in service for 8 yrs or so with no more problems than one that was right out of the continer 8 yrs ago.

 

[Ginormous]

Actually, if I was in the business of selling parts and doing repairs... I would LOVE the shady VN tractor sellers from a business perspective, especially if they offer zero support to their customers. Talk about creating customers for me! I would feel bad for the buyers, but good about being able to be there to help them out after the fact. :thumbsup:

 

[ninefinger]

Maybe... its because the dealers were run off by a few.....

Wheres Norm, Mark, Wayne, Ernie, EFC, Dave's, the DEALERS that BROUGHT you your Yanmars ???

They have moved on to friendlier territory ...

Thank you for saying that, as of the past few months my free time has been at a premimum but it got to where making time to come here was just not worth the effort, appears now the effort may now be worth it.

 

[Ginormous]

Thank you for saying that, as of the past few months my free time has been at a premimum but it got to where making time to come here was just not worth the effort, appears now the effort may now be worth it.

Personally, I hope you do. Hopefully the bad apples got bored and left.:drink:

 

[clemsonfor]

Actually, if I was in the business of selling parts and doing repairs... I would LOVE the shady VN tractor sellers from a business perspective, especially if they offer zero support to their customers. Talk about creating customers for me! I would feel bad for the buyers, but good about being able to be there to help them out after the fact. :thumbsup:

I think the problem is that the vn tractors were outselling them and creating a situation where all the uneducated which is like 75% of the customers bought vn thus taking out the bread and butter of the business, the large markup of tractors. Once the competition for sales was gon im like you as long as it came it the door broken i dont care who or waht brand it was as long as i could fix it.

 

[Ginormous]

I think the problem is that the vn tractors were outselling them and creating a situation where all the uneducated which is like 75% of the customers bought vn thus taking out the bread and butter of the business, the large markup of tractors. Once the competition for sales was gon im like you as long as it came it the door broken i dont care who or waht brand it was as long as i could fix it.

If my business model was built on tractor sales, I would need to change the model; probably increase my labor rates... could give customers who bought a tractor from me a "special" low labor rate, and stick to the ones who bought from the VN vendors.

 

[clemsonfor]

If my business model was built on tractor sales, I would need to change the model; probably increase my labor rates... could give customers who bought a tractor from me a "special" low labor rate, and stick to the ones who bought from the VN vendors.

Like i said i dont know those guys or what their business relies on. It may be that some of the stuff is so fubared up that Ernie could not fix it cheaply through no fault of his own and the customer got mad so he just did not want to get into it anymore. Like i said im not trying to pick sides, just as i point out all VN tractors are shot down and not given due respect as of their origin, im also sticking up for the dealers and saying i really dont know the situtuation at hand. But i do know i have heard LMTC complain about loosing business to the VN guy who is not out but created some tough years as he had not as many sales.

That said these tractors from american dealers and fredricks are not problem free. Storm petrol raved about how happy he was to have found a tractor from LMTC and what happened here a few months later,it had a bad head gasket (could have been operator error i dont know as all i read is the computer and did not see him or the tractor in use). Also Car Doc on here got a tractor from RCO in texas, after their VN stint. His tractor was a fubared as any story you hear from one of these american dealers about the VN models.

To be honest the true Horror stories with wrong 4wd axles or wrong engines in tractors seem to be more like urban ledgends here. Im not saying they did not happen but i personally dont remember any that the poster was actually on this board seeking help for a truly busted "new recon" vn tractor. Sorry Winston i forgot about you, i digress. But like i was saying most of these stories appear on the hoye page or is what has been repeated.