Any body know whre Carey is?

[clemsonfor]

Smoody, Hoye tractor sells( PARTS only)

Ernie's Imports sells Yanmar (tractors)

We only Work on tractors that we sell cause it makes life a lot easier.
Plus we dont need the money, therefore I dont feel like I have to kiss anyones rear, including yours.
We try to stock Yanmar parts tractors to supply OUR customers.
We mostly sell the F & FX tractors and never any 2 cylinder machines.
We started back in 1994 with Yanmars and were original members of the Yanmar club on Yahoo.
You Smoody, in my opinion have managed to offend almost every dealer that has been helpful on this forum until they left. Pretty soon there wont be any dealers that want to do this anymore for free.
Now that you know where we stand, don't hassle me anymore.
I have Nicer people to deal with than you.

Not poking at your business or trying to get into it buy why not sell the older 2cyls? Seems this is the backbone of the business, a good cheap reliable easy to maintain tractor for entry level folks or people like me who want a transportable efficient tractor still capable of doing work.

Those newer FX tractors cost as much as a new Kubota or Manihandra or JD new with financing and a warrenty. Why would i buy a used one at that price vs a new one. Again just curious about the business model dont want to rehash the whole argument about markup and all im sure your margins are fair and what is needed to operate.

 

[farmfun]

Sorry but as one who has read 90 X his posting percentage, I can't leave this thread like it is. I've benefited immensely from the knowledge dealers have shared here with us. You try to warn us based on what rolls through your shops, so thank you and I hope you will continue to do so in the future.

After 20 years in the electronics service business, I know what happens when you try to fix a low budget kludge. It can become a time consuming and very labor intensive loss and then warranting what you do becomes a nightmare. It's really a challenge to convince a newbie that the beautiful shiny red machine he has needs a list of stuff just so it can be serviced reasonably going forward.

 

[YanmarFever]

Not poking at your business or trying to get into it buy why not sell the older 2cyls? Seems this is the backbone of the business, a good cheap reliable easy to maintain tractor for entry level folks or people like me who want a transportable efficient tractor still capable of doing work.

Those newer FX tractors cost as much as a new Kubota or Manihandra or JD new with financing and a warrenty. Why would i buy a used one at that price vs a new one. Again just curious about the business model dont want to rehash the whole argument about markup and all im sure your margins are fair and what is needed to operate.

Well Clem,
It goes like this.... a customer walks in our show room and they pause to look at the machines, then they make a straight line for the F FX Yanmars.

If you spend some time operating one you will see a big difference, such as no shifter on the floor between your feet,which allows you to get on easier, 3 second glow plugs, Hydraulic tilt on the three point hitch, called a (UFO) in Japan and then there's the quick turn feature.

The quick turn lever disconnects the rear wheel drive so that the tractor is front wheel drive only, which allows it to turn even sharper cause the rear wheels aren't pushing, they are being pulled. You can drive up to a fence and turn the wheel 12" before you get there, and it will not hit the fence.
This feature is handy for cleaning out a barn, in between trees, parking in a tight space, ect....

And last but not least, (power steering) !:thumbsup:

 

[Scotty Dive]

I'd like to provide my $.02...and that's what is probably worth...:laughing::laughing::laughing: so a little background on me....20+ years in business from retail, sales, to product marketing, product management in small to larger business ...fortune 50. No expert....just my thoughts on this marketplace

The largest common denominator when marketing or selling anything is price. And, for the most part, in the US folks want to do good business. There are rip off artists, but traditionally if you are going to set up shop and have a store front and bring in tractors etc. you typically have good intentions. Now I cannot say what the intentions are of an off shore company rebuilding tractors for the US market who is protected by distance and cannot be touched by US law. However, assuming someone starts a business and imports VN tractors and then realizes they have a quality problem, well that's when the cash flow issues arise and trying to take care of existing customers who were sold questionable quality products get shafted and the company goes out of business. The Yanmar brand name suffers terribly. I believe it was not their intention to end up that way. They were trying to build a business and provide for their family.

The truth is that you have VN tractors versus domestic rebuilt tractors. You really cannot tell the difference between the two of them except for......yup...price. Now working for a Fortune 50 company....we are never the low cost leader in a market. We have world class sales people whose job it is to explain to our customers why our products and services cost more...and why it's worth it for the customer to pay more and work with us. So that is the job of the reseller of domestic rebuilt Yanmars. Now in my case...there was a $4K difference between a VN rebuilt and a Fredericks. That's enough for most folks to say...what the heck....I can get a lot of parts for the $4K I am saving. It is our sales folks job to leave the door open to any customer who chooses our competitor - so they can come back...we want their business and we tell them that while looking them straight in the eye.

So most folks who can use a computer can hear all of the VN horror stories...and guess what...after all of those stories ...there are hundreds of VN tractors sold in the US. What does that tell you? That price won. What that also tells me is that there is a great model for parts and service on Yanmars PERIOD. Right where Hoye has positioned themselves. If I was a dealer of US reconditioned Yanmars, I would sell hard on quality, workmanship, know how, local employment and US labor etc etc. I would respectfully educate my customers on Vn's versus domestic rebuilts and let them know that you understand price is one of the highest considered factors when buying anything. Tell them that you can service a VN tractor but your tractor customers take precedence and that you will be more than happy to supply all of the parts and labor if their tractor needs repair....but tell them, because you are a quality shop, if the VN tractor comes in with a knock....well expect a tear down because it's your experience that it may not be simple...and that now your name is on it and you take pride in your repairs. Talk to them about warranty. Maybe sell them a warranty after thiers is up?

Now....I can only speak to how I felt....but I bought a VN tractor...yup...I saved $4K and got some extra attachments too. When I do need parts....since some dealers talked down to me....it will be very difficult for me to call them up and buy parts from them....because...quite honestly, if this tractor craps out on me I will be embarrassed. However, and I hope this never happens to me, but I will need it repaired and need parts. I know that I will be able to pick up the phone and call Hoye and will never feel like I let them down by buying what I bought. That's too bad. In today's market there are two differentiators that I find most important. Service...and how you take care of a problem - whether you caused it or if someone else caused it. If a dealer does good by you....guess what....you will tell the world... and if they do bad by you....they will tell the world...

So that's my $.02 worth...

 

[YanmarFever]

Scotty, some people dont like to gamble with hit or miss quality.
And some guys just cannot turn or wrench, or they are to old to do it, that's why they buy a quality machine from a reputable dealer.
That way they wont have to haggle when it comes to service.
We offer red carpet service to all our customers, and it shows.....

The owner of the company that brings in the VN tractors is in JAIL for repeatably stabbing someone with a knife, does he sound like an honorable guy you would buy a tractor from ?

 

[kenmac]

when I purchased my 3110D. the guy at the hardware store (that also sold v n yanmars) best I remember, was the same price or close to the price of fredricks tractor. I know there wasn't a 4 k difference. I have personally known the guy that owns the hardware store for many years.We are friends to this day. I just couldn't make myself buy that v n tractor. I'm about to buy a loader. I could buy a v n loader a little cheaper. But, I will probably end up getting a Koyker from Tom

 

[clemsonfor]

Scotty, some people dont like to gamble with hit or miss quality.
And some guys just cannot turn or wrench, or they are to old to do it, that's why they buy a quality machine from a reputable dealer.
That way they wont have to haggle when it comes to service.
We offer red carpet service to all our customers, and it shows.....

The owner of the company that brings in the VN tractors is in JAIL for repeatably stabbing someone with a knife, does he sound like an honorable guy you would buy a tractor from ?

Which company, i beleive there are 2. VN tractor and some other one.

when I purchased my 3110D. the guy at the hardware store (that also sold v n yanmars) best I remember, was the same price or close to the price of fredricks tractor. I know there wasn't a 4 k difference. I have personally known the guy that owns the hardware store for many years.We are friends to this day. I just couldn't make myself buy that v n tractor. I'm about to buy a loader. I could buy a v n loader a little cheaper. But, I will probably end up getting a Koyker from Tom

Yea Tom Is the same price or $100 give or take on a ym200 without loader as the loacl Vn ones.

 

[Ginormous]

I, for one, don't even know whether my Yanmar passed through VN or not. The guy I bought it from said he had it for ~ 10 years and claimed to have purchased it from his cousin who had a Yanmar dealership in Virginia (I think) -- there was a sticker on the side of the hood with the dealer name, but I peeled it off and threw it out... Anyway, I doubt that mine was a VN tractor, but whether it was or wasn't, it's mine now. If I need help fixing something along the way, I'd be greatful for the help. If it develops a probably too big for me to tackle, I hope there is a dealer or a mechanic willing to do the work. I think this is an example of the typical attitude of an owner that Scotty Dive was referring to.

 

[clemsonfor]

I, for one, don't even know whether my Yanmar passed through VN or not. The guy I bought it from said he had it for ~ 10 years and claimed to have purchased it from his cousin who had a Yanmar dealership in Virginia (I think) -- there was a sticker on the side of the hood with the dealer name, but I peeled it off and threw it out... Anyway, I doubt that mine was a VN tractor, but whether it was or wasn't, it's mine now. If I need help fixing something along the way, I'd be greatful for the help. If it develops a probably too big for me to tackle, I hope there is a dealer or a mechanic willing to do the work. I think this is an example of the typical attitude of an owner that Scotty Dive was referring to.

Your right about attitude. Yours i doubt it, they never put those turfs on them that came with yours (i know you have ricers too) those i have only seen on the american ones. Yours was prolly from a guy who bought a container full of Jap yanmars from an importer. They were way cheap back then i have heard. But even like most of us have said so what if it was its a little past the worry point by now.

You bring up a good point not everyone even buys a new one and may have no clue as to the origin of where it came from, that should not earn them a back seat card for their efforts.

 

[Car Doc]

Amen.

It takes a lot of time out a persons day as is to try and post helpful ideas and tips here as is.

There isn't much time to be clarifying each and every point so someone gets it. I quit bothering so I say what I feel and forget it if it gets too time consuming I will leave as well. my 2c