How to follow water pipe?

[J_J]

How about this for an experiment. Use an auto laser level on a platform with 4 wheels, and mount a set of divining rods about 4 ft high on the platform. Now push this platform around the property with a 20 ft fiberglass pole, and if there is no action or creditable action on the rods, then one could say that human intervention is necessary

If the rods do locate buried objects, with any accuracy, then one can say that the human has nothing to do with the phenomenon.

I believe I would definitely call in the news teams.
I think you would get national coverage on your endeavor.

 

[Redneck in training]

I am a sceptic but in the same time I believe that some people have a gift to see or know what to others escape.
Several years ago I crashed my bicycle to a post in the middle of the bike trail. My wife had no way knowing where I was but when I crashed she was there before I could lift myself from the ground. She told me that she knew that something bad happened to me and drove exactly to the place of the accident. There were other instances when I wondered how did she knew certain things.
The so called gift might be an ability to instinctively see certain minute details. My father worked for river management and maintenance company. They had a guy who was a specialist on finding problems in earth dams before they became apparent. He could apparently see small changes in in vegetation and other minute things.
Now on some practical experience. I used to work for city central heating company years back. We often experience water and condensate piping leaks. We had an equipment made by some Dutch company for finding leaks under the streets with excellent accuracy. It was basically a sensitive microphone and electronic device filtering all noises except those made by leaking liquid. The microphone was placed on the pavement and the device showed the direction from where the sound emanated. That way we were able to find the leak with about a foot accuracy. The work was usually done at night because of low traffic and associated noise.

 

[RippySkippy]

All I can say is that I'm really glad that I don't have to go through life with a thorough scientific explanation for every conceivable event. What fun would there be in that? Does that mean I need to find fault with those that do...not a chance.

In no way do I think I have special powers, I have never said that. Nor would I ever tell anyone that you have to "believe" anything to make the process work. I don't feel I "believe" anything special to make it work...it just does and I'll stand by that. In light of the fact that I cannot accept the challenge, I was toying with the idea of putting together a video showing the results, but I'm most certain others would cry foul, and say it's rigged/involved trickery/or something of the sort. I don't want to waste my time and stir the pot any more than it is already.

It's interesting to me that the nay-sayers seem to have a much stronger desire to convince others that it doesn't work in light of the anecdotal evidence in this and other threads that say it does. Why is that? I guess that's where this thread, like the other one will most likely die, some know it does work, others think it doesn't.

xtn, I really wish I could accept your challenge, more than you'll ever know. Not for the money and the chance to prove something, but just because it's pretty darn neat to watch. There would not be a s饌nce or special reading...just a beer and 12 gauge copper wire....:thumbsup:

 

[Dargo]

In light of the fact that I cannot accept the challenge, I was toying with the idea of putting together a video showing the results, but I'm most certain others would cry foul, and say it's rigged/involved trickery/or something of the sort. I don't want to waste my time and stir the pot any more than it is already.

If you can do what you claim, simply prove them wrong at the link supplied and grab the 1.2 million dollars. Otherwise....well, I flat do not believe you. Sorry. Nothing personal when it's that simple to prove you're right and become rich doing so. I'd think you'd have just as good of a chance of making gold out of lead IMHO.

 

[RippySkippy]

If you can do what you claim, simply prove them wrong at the link supplied and grab the 1.2 million dollars. Otherwise....well, I flat do not believe you. Sorry. Nothing personal when it's that simple to prove you're right and become rich doing so. I'd think you'd have just as good of a chance of making gold out of lead IMHO.

Did you read the full application? I did. When they say no one has made it through the preliminary testing, there's something wrong (pg2 bullet 4). In addition in order to be deemed credible you have to have a documented source being either a book, scientific article or news broad cast (pg3 bullet 2). Sorry, I don't have the time or inclination to mess with 'em. After reading the submissions there are some real wackos out there...granted.

If you look at the submissions on their site there's been no recent activity since August 2009. So you tell me, why. Did they quit posting submissions? For an "upstanding, gold standard" group, they seem to have their own flaws, credibility not with-standing.

I know it's nothing personal...it never should be, and I'm not asking you to believe me. Just don't tell me it doesn't work or happen. We'll have to agree to dis-agree.

 

[dodge man]

I work for an engineering and surveying company. I've seen witching water lines and such done quit a bit. IT DOESN'T WORK! That said, people can locate things, such as pipes, water lines etc without a locator. I can do it. For example, you can see where a gas line goes into a house, you know the gas line is out in the street, you see a low spot in the lawn, bingo, the wires cross and you locate the line-MAGIC.

We paid someone to locate with his equipment water lines in a prison. He could locate some with his electric equipement, but it was old cast iron watermain, and the electronics wouldn't go past a few joints. So this guy being a expert, witched the rest. He wasn't even close. My boss still can't believe we paid someone to do it, and trust me, this guy was a believer.

 

[J_J]

RippySkippy,

I am not going to say you can't until I see if you fail. A video would be great, but at least have some unbiased witnesses.

Just what area is your expertise? Water, Plastic/PVC, metal lines, electric lines, or just about anything buried? Can you do this blindfolded, or do you have to see things, or do you just feel the process working in your body?

Did you try out all the different instruments of witchery, and what made you choose the one instrument you use now? I have tried the technique of finding water and other things, for over 50 years, maybe someday, I will be able to master the art, of whatever it is.

I am thinking that if you could mark out my sprinkler system and find the missing bomb shelter that is on my property, then I will make you my hero and sing praises to all.

 

[dusty3030]

Last summer I had a contractor who found a plastic water line that I could never locate towards the back of my property. The thing he used he held the ends of it in each hand but it had a long metal rod that bent towards the ground and located the water line. His contraption was store bought.




Can't remember the brand, I think it was a Bobcat?

 

[RippySkippy]

RippySkippy,

I am not going to say you can't until I see if you fail. A video would be great, but at least have some unbiased witnesses.

When I get some time I'll see what I can do.

Just what area is your expertise? Water, Plastic/PVC, metal lines, electric lines, or just about anything buried?

I wouldn't call it an expertise....I've located white PVC drain location, buried electrical service, polyethylene black plastic water pipe, cased fiber optic cable, plastic gas line. If it's buried I'll give it a shot. I've never claimed to find water underground like those that say they can spot a well location...I've seen others (well driller when I was a kid, at the time I really didn't care what he was doing) do it, with mixed success. He found a well on the highest point of our farm and it's still going strong, never ran out of water.

Can you do this blindfolded, or do you have to see things,

Interesting question, I've never tried it blind folded...never had the need to. When I'm locating I concentrate on walking slow, steady, and as smoothly as possible. I'm also paying attention to the last wire crossing (marked with a flag), it's location to my present position, trying to understand if it's logical that they crossed where they did. When I doubt myself, I'll come at it from many directions, pin-pointing the exact location.

or do you just feel the process working in your body?

Ya know, I don't feel a darn thing. I just observe the wires crossing.

Did you try out all the different instruments of witchery, and what made you choose the one instrument you use now?

Let me tell you how I learned "it."

In college during the early '80's, I worked on the grounds crew; we mowed the lawns (with 7 foot wide tricycle Heckendorn), picked up trash, patched roads, removed snow from the sidewalks before class, all that good stuff. On a day we got rained out, we were in the shop, and this topic came up. I too doubted it at the time. Big ol Randy (head shop foreman kept things in repair) came up with a pair of brazing rods, bent into an "L", and walks across the shop floor and claims the location of drain was "here" under the concrete where his wires crossed. I laughed at him and said "rrrriiiigggghhhhtttt!" How was I to know where the drain was, and why should I believe this ol red-neck, pit-bull rais'n, hick from northern Missouri?

He gave me the rods I walked the same path and by gosh they crossed for me also. Not wanting to "believe", I went out to the parking lot and found where the main for the fire hydrant had been surfaced marked....walked at it from many directions and EVERY time the wires crossed when I stood over the marked line. By the way, of the 8 or so guys in the shop, on fella could not get a thing to happen...nothing, nadda.

I really forgot about it for many years, until I was trying to locate a field drain tile for myself. I recalled the wires from the college days, except I used bare copper 12 gauge (it's what I had on hand) in an "L" and bingo...it worked. From then on whenever I needed locating for myself, I did it, and if the occasional neighbor needed help, then I'd offer.

So no, I have not tried other forms other than once we were joking around at home on the farm with a "Y" branch as a kid (before I knew of the wires after seeing the well driller in action)...but at the time I got nutt'n.

I have tried the technique of finding water and other things, for over 50 years, maybe someday, I will be able to master the art, of whatever it is.

I am thinking that if you could mark out my sprinkler system and find the
missing bomb shelter that is on my property, then I will make you my hero and sing praises to all.

That would be a hoot...you don't know how much I wish I had the time and $ to make that happen.

 

[John47]

I tried a forked twig, could never get a reaction.
I too was a skeptic, I was on afternoons shift at Boulby Mine in the UK as a shift electrician underground. One of the winding engine electricians had just had a labourer come back from stores with some brazing rods, and I asked him if he'd got a spot of brazing to do, he said no, he needed them to track the two main shaft feeders buried under a couple of feet of concrete. Some dimwit hadn't marked them on the maps when they were installed.

The next day some contractors were to break the concrete up leading to the shafts and dig a deep trench for some building works.
I laughed my head off, he said it works he'd done it dozens of times over the years.

So when I got underground I asked the storeman for a couple of brazing rods, he asked me what I wanted brazing rods for, he couldn't stop laughing when I told him.

Anyway, I bent them to form two equal "L" shaped rods, and started walking around to see if there was any metal odds and sods in the deep dust around the stores area. After a minute or so, the rods twisted, yep, nuts bolts small pieces of steel etc were being located.
Amused by the fact it worked, I gave the rods to the storeman and left him to play with them.
I'd been out to a few breakdowns and returned a few hours later, the storeman kept saying, they work, they work......

BUT, no amount of demonstrations, actual experiences etc will convince a none believer, it's as simple as that.. They will always ridicule anyone who says they can dowse, I know, I used to ridicule people too.....