How to recognize manufactured home axles?

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We are looking for a used dual axle flatbed trailer to haul our tractor. If a trailer does not have obvious branding on it (from a commercial manufacturer) how do we tell if the axles are from a manufactured home? :confused3:
 
   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #3  
But some legit non mobile home wheels look the same...
I'd look at the axles, if they have a splice in the middle they were 99.999% certainly shortened mh axles.
 
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But some legit non mobile home wheels look the same...
I'd look at the axles, if they have a splice in the middle they were 99.999% certainly shortened mh axles.

What do you mean "a splice in the middle"?
Is the axle 2 parts welded in the middle???
 
   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #6  
i don't think there is an easy way to positively identify all axles that came from mobile homes.

the obvious way to start narrowing down the field is the hub/wheel setup. as was mentioned look for wheels with no centers that clamp to the brake drum/hub (all the ones i have seen use five clamps). the wheels are 14.5" diameter also. this isn't a determining factor though, because there have been plenty of commercial trailer axles made with this size wheel and hub style.

some mobile home axles do not have complete backing plates. the ones i have use a backer that does not completely cover the inside of the drum. it is just large enough to attach the brake shoes and the magnet. again, this is not indicative of all mobile home axles. there have been some people here who have said they have mobile home axles with complete backing plates.

there has also been some discussion recently where people have posted excerpts from an axle site saying that their mobile home axles do not have precision machined spindles. i'm not completely sure of the exact meaning of this, but i'm wondering if it just means that the spindle forgings are only machined where the bearings go? no matter what, it would require a bit of disassembly to figure out. plus, i'd be willing to bet that any difference you might see are localized to only certain brands, and that you will find some mobile home axles that are indistinguishable from commercial axles.
 
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It is tough to tell the differences if you don't know what to look for and without doing some disassembly. I'd look for a manufacturers ID tag on the axle first. There's no reason to remove such a tag, (usually riveted or spot-welded in place), unless the trailer builder does so on purpose...and why would they do that? The splicing is a dead giveaway, but lots of folks around here use MH axles without cutting them to a "legal" length. Trailers are typically limited to a 102" overall width according to regulations, and I've had lots of conversations with customers over the years that tell me they won't need to rent a trailer when picking up a piece of equipment because they have one of their own. When asked what type/size trailer they have, they're not shy about disclosing the dimensions. Many with un-cut MH axles are 104", (or a little more), in overall width. Years ago, I built a three-axle trailer for a guy that had MH axles and insisted using them. He didn't want them shortened up, so I used them as-is. I told him that after I was done he would have to have the trailer inspected by a highway patrolman that would need to sign off on the trailer's construction and road-worthiness before issuing a VIN. I said that since the 102" max width was on the books, I was sure the trailer would be measured. The owner thought it was worth risking and he lucked out because the officer never broke out the tape measure. To the outside edge of the tires, this trailer measured 104 1/4" inches wide.

My *opinion* would to be very suspicious of any trailer lacking a manufacturers' VIN or ID tag. Why? Simple....there are "good" axles that employ the rim-clamp style hubs and use the 14.5 tires. We have a couple of Dyna Weld trailers that are set up that way. But those axles that are serviceable and do not have the 'limited-use" designation MH axles have are expensive to purchase. I'd say it's likely they cost the trailer manufacturer as much as more traditional "service type" trailer axles used by most manufacturers. In other words, if a DIY-er is building an equipment trailer, he very likely either used MH axles...or....he coughed up the $$ it took to buy a set of higher-quality non-MH axles like the Dyna Weld trailers use....which makes no sense at all given the additional compromises he'd wind up with by having to run the 14.5 tires.

MH axles are chosen most often by DIY-ers because they're cheap and easy to find.

If the builder claims his rim-clamp style axles are not MH axles, I'd ask for a receipt for the axle(s) he purchased....and if he couldn't produce a receipt, I'd ask where they were purchased from. A couple of specific questions is all it usually takes in order to weed out the BS-ers.

;)
 
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Also, check the tires, most people who use a mobile home axle to build a cheap trailer would not have bothered to replace the tires with legit 14.5" tires, so the tires will say something to the effect of "single use only" or "MH use only" on the sidewall.
 
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We are looking for a used dual axle flatbed trailer to haul our tractor. If a trailer does not have obvious branding on it (from a commercial manufacturer) how do we tell if the axles are from a manufactured home? :confused3:
Here are the axles used for my doublewide delivery in Sep05

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   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #10  
Many other threads mention MH axles having the brake backing plate welded to the axle instead of bolted to a flange.

Bruce
 
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Many other threads mention MH axles having the brake backing plate welded to the axle instead of bolted to a flange.

Bruce

x2, that is the easiest and most sure way to know. I have a trailer with MH axles and the brake backing plate is welded to the axle tube, I.E. non serviceable and non replaceable.
 
   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #12  
As mentioned.
Check the backing plate.
Check the tires, If they are MH tires, it says so on the side wall and will need to be replaced.
Look in the middle of the axle for obvious welding, Most MH axles are 8-10' wide and need to be shortened for use on a homemade trailer. I built a trailer years ago by cutting a section out of the middle of 2 - 6K MH axles then inserted a 1/4" thickwall sleeve pipe inside and rewelded. I ground down my welds before painting but most people don't.
 
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I had a Hill Lowboy one time. When Motor Carrier finally started hitting private trailers I sold it as the locals couldnt tell it from mobile hhome axles. THey took standard Mobile home rims and tires to. THe rims were a bit wider and stamped Low boy. I hate I sold it now.
The lowboy tires had several more plys than the MH axles. I did run motor home tires on it several months with my 12000 pound excavator. I did break and axle once the wheel bearin lock up and broke the weld aeound the hub. THis trailer had been abused before the logger that had it before me hauled some smaller skidders on it. I just slapped an MH axle under it and ran it a few months till I mad another axle in the shop.
 
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Here are the axles used for my doublewide delivery in Sep05 QUOTE]

Suppose others do as flusher did and post pix of their, axles, spindles, backing plate, hubs/drums etc. I would do it myself but I don't want to take off my pinch rims because I finally got them just right. So if your equipment is already disassembled take a picture and indicate if it is MH or commercial. It should provide valuable info for newbies to trailers like me and others.
Bob
 
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Personally I would walk from anything without standard hubs, studs, lugs, ect. You really do not know what you are getting and like the last poster stated getting the wheels true is a pain. About the time you get them right they have to come back off.

We had a few boat trailers at the marina made with MH and clamp rim axles. I just now plain refuse to work on them or tow them. Just too much trouble to track down parts for, get the tires on right, ect.

Chris
 
   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #16  
Centerless 14.5 wheels = 95% confidence it is a MH axle.

Welded center of axle = 99.9% confidence it is a MH axle.

Welded backing plate = 99.9% confidence it is a MH axle.


Centerless 14.5 wheels, welded axle center, and welded backing plate = 294.8% confidence it is a MH axle.

:)

Bruce
 
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THANK YOU ALL! :thumbsup: What a wealth of good info!!!
 
   / How to recognize manufactured home axles? #18  
If the leaf spring is just one solid spring it's a good chance that it's a MH axle but about the only way to know for sure is if the axle has an ID tag on it. Is the trailer homemade? If so that's also a good sign that they could be MH axles. If the trailer has an ID plate mounted to it with the mfg name then chances are they are not.

My tri axle trailer doesn't have backing plates on it yet they are not MH axles. I would jack each wheel up and check the bearings out. I also would stick my head behind the wheel and see if I could see the brake shoes and/ or an ID tag.

If the price is right I would buy a trailer with MH axles. Around here you can get a whole axle for $100 so if you broke something you could swap out the whole axle cheaper than it would cost to repair non MH axles. Plus they sell the MH tires mounted on wheels for $25. It's always nice to have spares.

For all the talk about how bad MH axles are the main problem I see has nothing to do with MH style axles. If the owner doesn't take care of them then they will fail. I have seen far too many trailers missing a wheel because the bearing blew out and the whole thing fell off on the side of the road.
 
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For all the talk about how bad MH axles are the main problem I see has nothing to do with MH style axles

But earlier in the same post, you also said you'd buy a trailer equipped with them if the price was right.

You also said complete axles can be had for $100 and spare rims/tires can be had for $25.

So if the cheap price of replacement axles and rims/tires factors at all into a person's consideration when choosing an axle, does that not indicate issues with the MH component's quality? Why be concerned about the price of replacement stuff...unless you're fairly certain the replacement stuff will be needed?

How, (after taking the above into consideration), could all of the talk about how bad they are be dismissed as having nothing to do with the MH style axles themselves?

Additionally, wouldn't those same individuals that allegedly just don't take care of things properly also have the same types of problems with service-type axles....if the *real* reason behind the problems being experienced were the result of the end-user and NOT some problem with component quality?
 
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As far as I am concerned if there is any question about the quality of the axles that could compromise safety it is probably not worth whatever cost savings there may be.
 

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