Mobil Delvac 1

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#21  
You guys are really making me happy:thumbsup:

I run into "Schaeffer's is to expensive" all the time. Schaeffer's Supreme 7000 can easily double and triple drain intervals and more, as you have been talking about, for under $18.00/g with qualifying discounts and free s/h. On top of that you get a person trained to handle lubricant related maintenance issues to work with you, state of the art, complimentary oil analysis support and complete technical support for your operation. What kind of support do you get from Mobil, Shell or Chevron? Anybody from those companies ever offer you free oil analysis? Or ever call you to see how you are?

If it performs at least the same, most say better, why are you still spending so much? I visited with 4 clients today. 3 of them told me stories about their wives and children. Do you think any of those big corporations give a crap about saving you money? Praise GOD I found Schaeffer and they give me the opportunity to impact people's lives and business'.


I'm on the East Coast. I don't know anything about Schaeffers as a company, or it's lubricants. I don't believe I've ever seen it on shelves out here.
It may be good oil... I don't know. I don't have the time, money, knowledge or even inclination to run my own tests and interpret them, so I have to rely on reputation, track record and the advice of others.
I've run Mobil 1 for a long time. I've had good success with it. Would I have had the same success with some others? Probably, but I'm not rolling the dice at this point..

Nothing personal, but you seem to push this Schaeffer oil and lubricants pretty hard on TBN. I may be a bit obtuse, but that throws up red flags for me... Good products do not need to be pushed so hard... Quality sells itself.

I don't use Rotella because I've read that it's not a true synthetic, but hydrocracked dino oil. Our government, in all it's infinite wisdom, alolows it to classified as synthetic. It was in the courts years back. I honestly don't know the difference, and I'm sure that many others don't either. There may be some advantages to hydrocracked dino over PAO based oils. I'm not privy to all the info, but being able to call modified mineral oil a synthetic just like a true synthetic is patently wrong in my book, because 99% of the public doesn't know.

So, I try to stay abreast of the info as best a layman can, and put my faith in products I know that have done well for me in the past. I don't push Mobil 1 as the best thing since sliced bread because I don't have a degree that pertains to lubricants, and as always, there are always tradeoffs. But, for my money, a true synthetic is better than an engineered mineral oil thatr the government allows to be called a synthetic.

I'll stand pat with Mobil 1 until something I'm convinced is better comes along.
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #22  
BlacknTan
I hear you & it bothers me also but;
Not all Mobil1 products are a full synthetic anymore even tho it says so on the bottle. If Castrol can do it why shouldn't they, it's all about price advantage & profit. But I agree it is still a great oil!
We tested Delvac1 years ago during developement of the transmission in the US Armies Bradley Fighting Vehicle along with several other synthetics and found the Delvac1 to be Outstanding!
We conducted an 880hr test equilivent to 12,000 miles in the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and it was the eye opener for me.
Delvac 1300 Super was the baseline and 110 hours was the most it could handle due to shear.
The Delvac1 was still performing like new after 880 hours.
I have personally seen other instances of it's superior qualitys.
But it is out of my price range now!
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #23  
I apologize to those who find my presence here bothersome. Please allow me to respond. BlacknTan, Schaeffer's doesn't advertise which is why you've never heard of them. They made a conscious choice, many years ago to invest the millions that would go to advertising into a sales force. They invest the same amount of money, but now they help 500+ families earn a living. They chose to rely on consumer education instead of 30 second tv slots.

As for me "pushing" Schaeffer's. Talking about the products is the only way for me to get the information to the public. Since it is a consumer education issue, Schaeffer wants their clients to be fully informed. The big oil companies rely heavily on consumer ignorance. You said yourself "99% of the public doesn't know." So I come along and offer a little knowledge and that throws up "red flags". In our media driven society quality does not necessarily sell itself. Mobil 1 commercials say its the #1 selling synthetic in America. Although Mobil 1 is a great product, it's #1 because of billions of dollars invested in advertising over many years. The commercial says nothing of quality. Other companies do the same thing. Castrol for example. Another quality product. The commercials with wind blown, mullet sporting consumers or coins flying out of the a/c vents, speak nothing to the construction or quality of the product. Please let me repeat, those are both great oils. I used Castrol for years with success. Now I use Schaeffer's exclusively with even more success and significant savings on top. I pay the same price, with the same discounts all of my clients pay.

You used the term hydro-cracked. Many people don't know that term. I was talking to a guy yesterday that thought it meant "broken". PAO synthetics can be hydro-cracked. It's a general term for extra refining processes. It makes the base stock better. Schaeffer's sends their base stock through two additional refining processes. Severly hydro-finishing is a process where the stock is placed in a vacuum and heated up. The heat causes molecular agitation and Oxygen molecules break away. As the fluid cools, it is bombarded with Hydrogen molecules which attach and make the stock less susceptable to oxidation or hydro-cracked. I have to give the simple explanation because I have trouble with all the chemistry terms.

As for reputation or track record: Schaeffer's is ISO 9001:2008 certified. An independent, international consumer watch dog group evaluates and monitors the manufacturing process. Schaeffer's has been awarded one the highest certifications available by this organization. Schaeffer's is a family owned and operated, christian based business established in 1839. You show me a company thats been around for 172 years that doesn't produce high quality products with exceptional service. Exxon posted ??? 3 Billion in quartly profit. Money is not the driving force behind Schaeffers. Yes... In order to stay in business they have to produce profits. However, they are more interested in helping others achieve with the best they can produce. Yes...I earn my living selling product. When I demonstrate a stronger desire to help people with their business, my income grows. Learning about my clients is important. More than money motivates me to be good at my job.

I would also like to point out, in all my posts, I have never made a derogatory comment about any lubricant. There are many lubricants on the market with extreme performance capabilities. Mobil has many quality products. My position remains, Schaeffer's is more cost effective to use than any of them. This has been proven time and again. Any lubricant capable of competing with Schaeffer's performance, is going to be more expensive. Any product competing with Schaeffer's on price, cannot come close to their performance.

Now...I've addressed all your criteria. Whether you accept it or not, I have no control over. This response is more about my mission to inform and educate rather than convincing you. Schaeffer's is not for everyone. Some people need that television presence, and that's ok. What your doing works for you and will continue to work as it does for many. Others want something different, this is for them.
 
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#24  
I apologize to those who find my presence here bothersome. Please allow me to respond. BlacknTan, Schaeffer's doesn't advertise which is why you've never heard of them. They made a conscious choice, many years ago to invest the millions that would go to advertising into a sales force. They invest the same amount of money, but now they help 500+ families earn a living. They chose to rely on consumer education instead of 30 second tv slots.

As for me "pushing" Schaeffer's. Talking about the products is the only way for me to get the information to the public. Since it is a consumer education issue, Schaeffer wants their clients to be fully informed. The big oil companies rely heavily on consumer ignorance. You said yourself "99% of the public doesn't know." So I come along and offer a little knowledge and that throws up "red flags". In our media driven society quality does not necessarily sell itself. Mobil 1 commercials say its the #1 selling synthetic in America. Although Mobil 1 is a great product, it's #1 because of billions of dollars invested in advertising over many years. The commercial says nothing of quality. Other companies do the same thing. Castrol for example. Another quality product. The commercials with wind blown, mullet sporting consumers or coins flying out of the a/c vents, speak nothing to the construction or quality of the product. Please let me repeat, those are both great oils. I used Castrol for years with success. Now I use Schaeffer's exclusively with even more success and significant savings on top. I pay the same price, with the same discounts all of my clients pay.

You used the term hydro-cracked. Many people don't know that term. I was talking to a guy yesterday that thought it meant "broken". PAO synthetics can be hydro-cracked. It's a general term for extra refining processes. It makes the base stock better. Schaeffer's sends their base stock through two additional refining processes. Severly hydro-finishing is a process where the stock is placed in a vacuum and heated up. The heat causes molecular agitation and Oxygen molecules break away. As the fluid cools, it is bombarded with Hydrogen molecules which attach and make the stock less susceptable to oxidation or hydro-cracked. I have to give the simple explanation because I have trouble with all the chemistry terms.

As for reputation or track record: Schaeffer's is ISO 9001:2008 certified. An independent, international consumer watch dog group evaluates and monitors the manufacturing process. Schaeffer's has been awarded one the highest certifications available by this organization. Schaeffer's is a family owned and operated, christian based business established in 1839. You show me a company thats been around for 172 years that doesn't produce high quality products with exceptional service. Exxon posted ??? 3 Billion in quartly profit. Money is not the driving force behind Schaeffers. Yes... In order to stay in business they have to produce profits. However, they are more interested in helping others achieve with the best they can produce. Yes...I earn my living selling product. When I demonstrate a stronger desire to help people with their business, my income grows. Learning about my clients is important. More than money motivates me to be good at my job.

I would also like to point out, in all my posts, I have never made a derogatory comment about any lubricant. There are many lubricants on the market with extreme performance capabilities. Mobil has many quality products. My position remains, Schaeffer's is more cost effective to use than any of them. This has been proven time and again. Any lubricant capable of competing with Schaeffer's performance, is going to be more expensive. Any product competing with Schaeffer's on price, cannot come close to their performance.

Now...I've addressed all your criteria. Whether you accept it or not, I have no control over. This response is more about my mission to inform and educate rather than convincing you. Schaeffer's is not for everyone. Some people need that television presence, and that's ok. What your doing works for you and will continue to work as it does for many. Others want something different, this is for them.

I'm not trying to insult you or your product, Mr. Morgan. To be truthful, I know little of either... I'm sure you're a fine gentleman with alot of faith in the products you're associated with.

Buuut.. I won't use Amsoil, although I tried it in 1975, and it ran through my engine like the proverbial "s**t through a goose..." The fault of the oil?? Probably not, but it did not happen with dino. In any case, my sole reason, and this may cause a firestorm amongst the Amsoil dealers, for not using Amsoil is because it lacks API certification.
As to Schaeffer's, I'll freely admit that I don't know hydrocracking from hydro fracturing a well. I try to keep myself somewhat informed, as every consumer needs to, but my understanding of the subject and processes are limited, but we must try to keep pace.
I'm sure Schaeffer's is a fine product. For what it's worth, I've NEVER had a failure traceable to oil quality, or ANY oil related issue, even as a kid when I pushed big Ford engines pretty hard on Fox Head's cheapest oil. But, I also had no intention of taking them past 200,00 miles either, which is not a problem today.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to denigrate Schaeffer's products or yourself, but there are so many folks pushing product on the computer, with varying degrees of honesty, that I view ALL folks pushing a product via the internet, with an eye a bit jaded by experience.
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #25  
I just bought a drum of schaffers I will let you know how it does
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #26  
.................Schaeffer's is not for everyone. Some people need that television presence, and that's ok. What your doing works for you and will continue to work as it does for many. Others want something different, this is for them.

From reading your posts I assume that you are connected with Schaeffer, if so have you thought about becoming an advertiser here? I've heard it's not very expensive (I don't know for sure). I've never seen Schaeffer oil anywhere but after trying to buy oil locally and getting frustrated I'll probably be buying on-line for the next change.

Most people talk about stretching changes out, for me I've never tried to. Synthetic is probably overkill but when you only put 50 or so hours a year on a tractor and it could see temps down near -40f to 90f the oil needs to be able to cover a wide range. I'm currently using Rotella T6 5w40 but I have only found it in gallons and my Kubota takes 8.7 quarts. At $20 a gallon I hate to leave 3 1/2 quarts sitting on a shelf for a long time after breaking the factory seal.

When I went to the Schaffer website there was no free shipping and the price for a gallon of 7000 was about $27 a gallon and another $30 for shipping. If there are discount(s) or free shipping I would love to have known.
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #27  
I had to buy $300 for the free shipping
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #28  
I know what a christian-based religion is, but what is a christian-based business?
 
   / Mobil Delvac 1 #29  
Thank you all for the comments. I will respond to all of them.

CrazyAl: Yes I have thought about it. I intend to as soon as it becomes possible for me. I have invested a lot of money in organization fees and booth fees this year, so it may be a bit.

Unless you have a retailer in your area it only comes in cases, so you may not benefit very much on only 50hrs a year. One of the discounts is volume. It is less expensive per gallon when buying gallons, pales and drums, than it is in cases of quarts. Another discount offered has to be done through a rep. A 3% discount is offered when pay by check and the rep has the check in hand when placing the order.

Free shipping is offered with a $350 minimum purchase. Since Elder Farm bought a drum, the min order requirement was not an issue.

Blackn Tan: I don't think you are trying to denigrate me. Believe me I understand your irritation with the "sales" aspect. I've been a business owner and would field 20 calls a week from everybody wanting to sell me pens and pencils with my name on them to insurance. However, by your own admission there is a lack of knowledge and you are more informed than many. Give me the benefit of the doubt and allow me to provide verifiable information. This is not a "trust me" approach, trust comes later

As for the Amsoil. Another exceptional product. Lubricant technology has come a long way since 1975. Does it rule out a repeat performance...No. There is a minimal risk any time you change brands because of different quality base stocks, different additives, different applications etc.. MINIMAL.

Greasemonkeyok. The bible lays out principles for how we should live our lives, interact with and treat others. It gives us instructions on how to build a family, a church and yes...our business. Guiding principles on helping others, honesty and integrity and how to handle trust and money as to avoid corruption. Schaeffer is built and practices these principles among others

If your wondering, we have prayer and devotional at every conference. However, this isn't bible study and I'm not a preacher. So if your looking for salvation, I'll help you find someone to talk to.
 
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#30  
BlacknTan... However, by your own admission there is a lack of knowledge and you are more informed than many. Give me the benefit of the doubt and allow me to provide verifiable information. This is not a "trust me" approach, trust comes later

You've got it, John... The benefit of the doubt, I mean.

You seem like a knowledgable gentleman, and I can always stand to learn something new!

And, for me at least, a Christian based business is a plus!
 

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