can someone id this backhoe and answer a couple of questions?

[jon1996]

I am looking into trading for this older Backhoe, I know its a ford and the guy said it has sherman power digger on the rear boom, its in good shape and everything works, But I can not find one like it to figure out the model numbers, and I was wanting to know how much is it worth and how much it weighs
Jon

 

[TraderMark]

It looks like an old 801 or 841 with an added loader and backhoe.

If you can get the serial number, I think Soundguy can help you translate the numbers.
He may even be able to tell you where to locate the numbers stamped in the housing.

Mark

 

[jon1996]

Well I thought the same, but it does not have a 3'point hitch and had never had one it is a backhoe but looks like a tractor I have it narrowed down to one of the 60's industrial backhoes a 3550 looks close I thought but it's not this one has 13x28 tires on it as to where the 3550 has 24" tires so I have no idea

 

[RickB]

Well I thought the same, but it does not have a 3'point hitch and had never had one it is a backhoe but looks like a tractor I have it narrowed down to one of the 60's industrial backhoes a 3550 looks close I thought but it's not this one has 13x28 tires on it as to where the 3550 has 24" tires so I have no idea

You aren't even close in thinking it is a 3550. For starters, a 3550 has a 3 cylinder engine and wet brakes and is more than a decade newer than the tractor in the photo. The photo appears to be of an 801 series tractor.

 

[jon1996]

ok then I am wrong heres what the guy told me over the phone

Its in the 60's
its a 4cyl gas engine
Has sherman Digger on rear backhoe arm
28" rear tires
has three headlights in front one larger one in the center

Thats all I know about it
Thanks,
jon

 

[RobertBrown]

ok then I am wrong heres what the guy told me over the phone

Its in the 60's
its a 4cyl gas engine
Has sherman Digger on rear backhoe arm
28" rear tires
has three headlights in front one larger one in the center

Thats all I know about it
Thanks,
jon

It looks just like my neighbors IH, post some more pictures. I think it's a 3414. His has no pto and no 3pt hitch, just a loader.... 2wd.
http://www.tractordata.com/industrial-tractors/000/0/6/60-international-harvester-3414.html

 

[aczlan]

Some pictures:
Ford 801: Ford 800 Tractor/Backhoe for sale
Ford 4000 (Note the different backhoe boom design): http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/ford-vintage-tractors/30136-ford-4000-tractor-loader-backhoe.html
Ford 3400 (note the different grill and backhoe boom): FORD TRACTOR / LOADER / BACKHOE | Belton | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 12675116
Ford 800 (note the different backhoe boom and similar grill): Johnny King Auctioneers Gallery :: Farm/Const/Landscape Equipment :: Ford_800_series_Tractor_with_Loader_and_Backhoe
IH 3414: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/case-ih/142043-international-3414-restoration.html

Looks most like a Ford 801 to me.
Edit: As I recall, Sherman made quite a few things for Ford (including transmissions, loaders, and backhoes)

Aaron Z

 

[jon1996]

The front loader on the 800 is nothing like this one, the rear backhoe looks similar, but this is a ford for sure even though the IH looks like it the most heres another pic, I have more if anyone wants them

 

[joecdeere]

That's an old 1800 series industrial, they were build off the 800 series

versions were -
1811: Select-O-Speed, no PTO or hydraulics

1821: Four-speed, no PTO or hydraulics

1841: Four-speed with PTO and hydraulics

1871: Select-O-Speed with PTO and hydraulics

1881: Select-O-Speed with multi-speed PTO and hydraulics

I think there was another one or two, but I haven't worked at a Ford dealer since the 90's, starting to forget some of it!

nice old tractor in it's day. I can't remember the loader # but parts for that hoe will be a real pain, long obsolete from Ford. Buy it to play with, not to really work hard much. JMHO

 

[aczlan]

The front loader on the 800 is nothing like this one, the rear backhoe looks similar, but this is a ford for sure even though the IH looks like it the most heres another pic, I have more if anyone wants them

Here is an 861 (or is it an 801? The ad calls it an 861, but the picture calls it an 801) which has the same loader, but a different power steering mechanism:

Source: Used Tractors » Helena Farm Supply - Serving Montana for over 60 years
And: http://www.helenafarmsupply.com/web_images/ford801.jpg

Per: 1950 Ford 8N Serial # 306967 (scroll all of the way down), that is a Ford 703 loader
Per: 1970 FORD 703 Other Equipment - Loaders For Sale At TractorHouse.com
This loader can be installed on:

1801, 1811, 1821, 1841, 1871, 1881, 2N, 2000, 4000, 4030, 4031, 4040, 4110, 4120, 4130, 4131, 600, 601, 620, 630, 640, 650, 660, 700, 740, 800, 801, 811, 820, 821, 840, 841, 850, 851, 860, 861, 871, 881, 8N , 900, 901, 941, 950, 951, 960, 961, 971, 981, 9N, NAA, NAB 2000 3000

Here is an 801 with a 703 loader: Ford 801 Tractors | KROMMINGA MOTORS MONTICELLO, IA

Aaron Z

 

[jon1996]

Ok guys thanks for the excellent info, I am getting it for the house and just yard work, nothing I really need a backhoe for, I just want it to dig a little and carry stuff with and prob clear some snow this winter,

Now What does it weigh? a good estimate the way she sits and what size trailer do I need, Would a 20' do it
Jon

 

[jon1996]

Bump for any more info

 

[Opti-Mist]

The backhoe is a 703 or 723 depending on the digging depth, roughly 10 & 12 feet. It was manufactured by Sherman Products which was later purchased by Ford. In fact the 710,713 & 715 Ford backhoes were manufactured in the same plant until manufacturing was transferred to Romeo.

 

[Taylortractornut]

I cant think of the model of the tractor but its definately Sherman equipment on it. it looks to be a good farm hoe if it has power steering. is the front axel straight?

 

[toxicjeeper]

I would guess 7-8K pounds..My 79 ford 3550 industrial weighed close to 6k pounds without a backhoe..

 

[ThomasH]

Not to argue with another poster, but his backhoe looks identical to my Ford 723 backhoe, which has a Wain-Roy manufacturing tag on it. They were made in 10, 12, and 14 foot digging depths, and weighed 2600-3200 lbs depending on the depth and bucket.

 

[Opti-Mist]

Not to argue with another poster, but his backhoe looks identical to my Ford 723 backhoe, which has a Wain-Roy manufacturing tag on it. They were made in 10, 12, and 14 foot digging depths, and weighed 2600-3200 lbs depending on the depth and bucket.

No argument here. Wain-Roy was the predecessor. Waino Rajala was the guy it was named after. I was just a kid so I don't know the "politics" of what all happened but Sherman Products ended up with the rights.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Like the others said, its a industrial version of the 800 series called the 18xx series or something like that.

I have a 861 and it weighs 3,500#. That loader has to weigh 1,500# and I would say the hoe is close to 3,000# so I would want a trailer and truck capable of hauling 8,000# minimum. It would not surprise me if it was closer to 10,000# if it has any weights or loaded tires.

Chris

 

[RickB]

Like the others said, its a industrial version of the 800 series called the 18xx series or something like that.

I have a 861 and it weighs 3,500#. That loader has to weigh 1,500# and I would say the hoe is close to 3,000# so I would want a trailer and truck capable of hauling 8,000# minimum. It would not surprise me if it was closer to 10,000# if it has any weights or loaded tires.

Chris

It is not the industrial version of anything. It is an 801 series with an all purpose front axle. It is neither a light nor heavy industrial front axle. The specific model number stamped in the usual place in the clutch housing aft of the starter is quite likely to be either 811 or 821 as the tractor clearly has no lift cover, rockshaft or 3PT equipment. It likely has no PTO either. An 811 or 821 would technically be a Special Utility Tractor as defined in my 1961 version of the Ford 601 and 801 series Owner's manual. An 1801 (Heavy Industrial)would have a cast iron grille shell and completely different loader.

 

[jon1996]

OK I got the serial number now from the tractor it is

821-s 117649

tractor data said no PTO or hydraulics, How does the front loader and backhoe work, was there a pump added on later for them, and is this backhoe worth getting for around the house?