"New" GM doesn't want to repair products of "Old" GM

[BrianR]

I was a lifelong fan of the pentastar (Mopar) until they screwed me out of extended warranty number 2 and the government gave all that dough to Chrysler. As far as I am concerned they do not exist anymore.....and while I would love to have a new Challenger, I just know that I would get hosed on it again. Those bass turds can stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care.

Ford, Honda, VW and Toyota will be the only chances I'll take these days. I still love the old muscle Mopars, GM's and Fords, but the new versions of GM and Chrysler can stick it. No more money from me!!

 

[PapaPerk]

It has nothing to do with Obama. Bush would have bailed them out too. They are too big to fail.

With that being said GM is a lousy company! They just don't get it.

If you want a vehicle that the manufacture will stand behind buy a Toyota.

 

[massey990]

Obama has nothing to do with it

You mean besides more of his broken promises ?

U.S. will guarantee GM, Chrysler warranties, Obama says

U.S. will guarantee GM, Chrysler warranties, Obama says - AutoWeek

I guess for bho to keep his promise the US taxpayers will be footing the bill, the GM debacle has already cost Americans over $130,000,000.00

And on top of that the new GM stock hit a new low

GM - Stock Quote for General Motors Co - GM Stock price - real time stock quote for General Motors Co

 

[Renze]

Interesting...

Theoretically, with this weird legal construction of "old GM" and "new GM" the attorneys are correct: The warranties should be paid by "old GM" a.k.a the US government alias the tax payer.

Too bad the lawyers didnt do their homework first...


Over here, we get Korean Chevrolets (formerly Daewoo of Korea) sitting next to a corvette in the showroom. Next to that, another GM subsidiary Opel of Germany is building fine cars: Its the only GM division that makes profit. In fact it makes such good profit that when they went under, they couldnt afford to sell Opel for cash because it would be butchering the chicken with the golden eggs.

I just dont get why GM is still building and selling cars in the USA if their products have such a bad name (doesnt everybody complain here on TBN ??) and their car factories only eat the money earned in overseas branches.. If they just pulled the plug from their US factories, and started selling Korean and German made models, they would A. make money, B. solve all their quality issues and C. save the US taxpayer a boatload of money...

...uuuhhh... Now wait... GM building their cars overseas ?? thats not what you guys want, you all want US built cars and buy them nonetheless... And government bailout is the ultimate and logical consequence...
In Europe we dont care WHO built it, we care if they built it RIGHT. If a German manufacturer builds crap, even the Germans just wont buy it.

The US economy isnt really a free market because its bound by chauvinism. Without that, the market (the customers) would quickly punish a manufacturer so they have to stay focused and responsible. GM isnt focussed at all. In Europe, only French brands can sell junk, because they are French so its ok for them to be different: "different" people like Citroen

 

[capt_met]

i had no warrenty issues with either of my GM trucks so can't ad anything to this. they are out of warrenty now so i guess it worked out.

 

[ModMech]

Interesting...

...uuuhhh... Now wait... GM building their cars overseas ?? thats not what you guys want, you all want US built cars and buy them nonetheless... And government bailout is the ultimate and logical consequence...
In Europe we dont care WHO built it, we care if they built it RIGHT. If a German manufacturer builds crap, even the Germans just wont buy it.

I think we have a winner!!!!

One of the differences in the USA is that *most* new vehicle sales are to buyers that do not keep the vehicles more than 36mo/36k miles. I KNOW there are going to be 1,000 TBN member chiming in saying THEY do, but they do not represent the MAJORITY of sales......

If the vehicle has no "real" problems within the warranty period, the buyer considers it to be a "good vehicle" and they make future decisions based on only that limited data.

Where the rubber meets the road is resale value, a 4 YO vehicle with a bad repair history for the model, even if commonly purchased new will eventually kill itself when the tradeins are nearly worthless (Focus for example).

In this regard, the USA and Japan are much the same, this is how Japanese automakers have faired so very well, their "initial" quality was superior. That is no longer the case. You are right, many "Americans" subscribe to the idea of "buy American", even if the products are not particularily good and sometimes even junk. We needn't go into the fact that nothing much is fully made "here" anyway. This is the exact reason we have bailed out Chrysler TWICE and now GM. If you support such stupidity as bailing out manufacturers who have killed themselves, you will only get more of the same. History has proven that time and time again.

 

[timswi]

Wow!! This is the biggest GM hit thread I've ever seen on TBN...For the record, my wife's '06 H3 which is still covered under a GM extended warranty has had a few minor repairs done under the "old" GM warranty, one 6 months ago...No issues at all.

 

[massey990]

If you support such stupidity as bailing out manufacturers who have killed themselves, you will only get more of the same. History has proven that time and time again.

The original bailout of Chrysler set a precedent that proved they [bailouts] can and do work to a degree. The problem with the govenrments interference with the GM debacle was just that INTERFERENCE.

GM SHOULD have been made to go through bankruptcy the same as any other corporate entity under the same scenario. But the obama administration interfered and gave most of the company to the unions, under normal BK's all union contracts would have become null and void but because of the obama administration's interference it became an abortion of magnitude and has cost US taxpayers dearly.

It was all about keeping the unions satisfied and union voters happy. Plain enough to see IMO.
The same tactic has recently been employed with the "back door: immunity given to illegal immigrants, it's all about keeping pocket voters on their side.

 

[5030]

I was a lifelong fan of the pentastar (Mopar) until they screwed me out of extended warranty number 2 and the government gave all that dough to Chrysler. As far as I am concerned they do not exist anymore.....and while I would love to have a new Challenger, I just know that I would get hosed on it again. Those bass turds can stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care.

Ford, Honda, VW and Toyota will be the only chances I'll take these days. I still love the old muscle Mopars, GM's and Fords, but the new versions of GM and Chrysler can stick it. No more money from me!!

It's not a Chrysler. It wasn't a Chrysler when Daimler took the company for the sole reason of sucking all the capital out of it (Chrysler, prior to Daimler was extremely well bankrolled due to astute management).

Now it's a Fiat. Marchonni was basically given the company by King Obama and bankrolled with TARP funding.

I had one pre-Obama Mopar. It was junk.

 

[5030]

It's all ObamaLaw now. The law of the jungle. Can't wait until 2012!

I can. I don't see any candidate emerging from the pack of wannabes that's worth beans. That includes your Governor Perry.

If nothing viable (candidate wise) surfaces prior to the election in 2012, I'll vote for Obama, again. I voted for Obama in 2008. I liked Ron Paul but the party threw him under the bus and I had no problem with McCain but I have a big problem with Sarah Palin. If Ron Paul and McCain were running mates in 2008, we would be in an entirely different situation than we are now, because, Obama would have lost.

The only and I mean the only viable candidate (excepting Dr. Paul) is the CEO of Godfather's Pizza, a black man and a smart savvy political student. However the media is shunning him (just like Dr. Paul) and the bottom line (like it or not) is the media elects the President.

I don't believe the populus is smart enough to actually make an informed decision about the President or other leaders without the media inputting their jilted opinions.

Whichever party (Repukes or Tea Baggers) foister a candidate, that candidate will have to be forceful, politically savvy, an excellent orator and be able to sell his agenda to the multitudes of which many are receiving public assistance, something that Obama is counting on. Obama is all about the public dole and the recipients will, unless swayed by something more lucrative and less stressful (if that exists), will vote for their provider....Obama

Far as the bailouts and warranty problems, it's pretty much accepted practice. Look at K-Mart. Look at the hundreds of stockholders that lost everything when K-Mart reorgainzed, issued new stock, bought into Sears and emerged as a viable company. All the previous stockholders...were now holding worthless stock certificates that were nothing more than toilet tissue.