The World According to Monsanto

[Don87]

Nutritionally I can't fathom how GMO food would be a problem unless it contained things that were "not naturally found" on this earth. Our bodies (and the planet's flaura and fauna) evolved in the presence of the elements that are already here so "splicing" them together still is using the same elements and our bodies should recognize them and know how to deal with them (as should nature).

It's true that I am a bit skeptical of dietary ingredients that are out of balance with each other or not in the presence of the co-ingredients that our bodies are used to seeing (ie: vitamin c from fruit vs vitamin c made in a factory) but from a scientific point of view vitamin c is vitamin c so there really isn't an argument. To me though, somehow it seems right that my body would recognize the fruit and absorb the vitamin c alongside the other bits of the fruit more efficiently than vitamin c in a capsule ingested without the presence of the other bits of the fruit. Maybe just emotion though...

The reason I said I don't like monstanto is simply that I worry about losing biodiversity if the man made plants or animals get loose. I worry that the evolutionary balance may be negatively impacted if the man made things get loose (example: such as farmed salmon that don't know how to migrate and breed).

All said, managing the science is more the challenge for us silly humans because of our greed and emotional responses to things. Banning the science makes no sense unless we wan't to go back to 50 year average lifespans. It's like a gun, gun's are OK as long as they are used properly.

(had to get firearms into this you know...)

'nuff said.

You made some very good points for both sides of the debate. I'm basically in the same camp as you, although I personally would have liked it better if the power of the Presidency wouldn't have been used.

 

[Don87]

Awhile back someone said "you can chose to eat GMO's, or not. I choose not."

Unless you are a "hippy-homesteader-self-sufficient-off-the-grid" type, I suspect you do NOT have a choice of what you eat.

And there is the problem. We all share just this one planet, and your toxic waste/pollution/GMO products are also mine, if I want them or not. I choose not. . .

We really don't have a choice if one thinks about it. GMO crops are grown all around most people, so cross-pollination is an issue.

If you eat wild meat only, they roam and forage, so GMO's will be in them also.

 

[vsteel]

I said that an elected official deemed that the GMO seeds, were the same as natural seed. And that executive order has kept proper testing from being done to food derived from those seeds.

Not to mention that there were patents issued for the seeds. Patents are only issued for things that are signifigantly different from something else.

To anyone that understands a little about science, patents, and politics.......that smells to high heaven.

The seeds had been tested by the FDA for years. The only thing the executive order did was stop the FDA from wasting more taxpayer money. You need to realize there are 100s of independent groups still testing. Other groups can test besides the FDA. Testing or not by the FDA has no bearing on all of the other groups and universities doing testing.

PATENTS ARE ISSUED FOR TRIVIAL AND REDUNDANT THINGS ALL OF THE TIME!!! Look up Sun and how they had contests to see who could patent the most trivial and silly thing. Look up who has the patent on toast, yes the kind you eat. If you want an easy example to look up check out the issues with software patents.

Science and patents, really you need to look up the scientific method. There are outlines of how you have to conduct tests and keep track of your data for publishing. You really need to understand this so when you read an article you can tell when someone is giving you good data or they are full of BS. If experiments don't give full data or not enough about them they can be repeated, then someone is trying to hide something.

 

[Combustix]

Awhile back someone said "you can chose to eat GMO's, or not. I choose not."

Unless you are a "hippy-homesteader-self-sufficient-off-the-grid" type, I suspect you do NOT have a choice of what you eat.

And there is the problem. We all share just this one planet, and your toxic waste/pollution/GMO products are also mine, if I want them or not. I choose not. . .

Day I made that statement as you can see by the debate between farmswithjunk and don87 on gmo's it still comes down to a choice. I am not a hippy off the grid type though I suppose it would be good. Though after watching food Inc and starting to look into where our food is coming from. I.E. Monsanto, Cargill and the lot, the Mrs and I raise our own rabbit ducks chicken and goat for meat milk and eggs. We raised Cornish cross chickens the first time or gmo chicken. The wife calls them Frankenchicken, they are just not right. We raise heritage type now and well our chickens actually have flavor. Im sure all the university studies get their grant money from the chemical giants. I do know that gmo tomatoes are tasteless and will remain on the shelf for weeks unlike a natural tomato which has a very short shelf life but tastes great. Again which do you prefer to eat. We source a lot of food from local farmers and neighbors who raise natural animals, vegetables and whatever else we can find. Since we have done this over the last three years not I the wife or the kids has gotten so much as a cold or any type of illness. I can't make that claim for what we ate prior to that. Though the argument is its okay for you I find interesting as gmo has been around for what 20 years or so. How long has tobacco been around before they finally said well maybe it's not the best thing for you. I am not against genetically modified food I just prefer not to eat it.

 

[DAY]

Comustix, you are preaching to the choir- but it is a mighty small congregation!
I did what you are doing, back in the late 70's. Started up a raw milk goat dairy, and wound up with the largest one in PA.

Most cannot do what you and your wife are doing, but everybody can shop local, support organic, and plant a garden.

 

[Wooddust]

Monsanto wants to control the world's food supply through control of the seed used for food crops, ie "Terminator" seeds, which means they don't actually produce viable seeds of their own. They want to have farmers buy new seed every year from them...very profitable for them, eh.

This is one of the most uninformed and stupid posts I have seen in quite some time. Do you people sit in dark rooms and make this crap up?

 

[Wooddust]

I heard a story on the radio a while back about GMO wheat. The person on the radio said that GMO wheat, when baked into bread, is no longer a fiber.

He said it changes to a starch or something, and the type of starch it turns into actually causes fat to be stored in the human body.

Is it true? I dunno, but what I can say, is that Ive seen people gaining weight while eating wheat bread.

Is there a connection, dunno.

The only thing I know for sure is that the executive order has stopped the FDA from testing and tracking these types of things for over 22 years now.

Wheat. It is not a fiber, its a plant. It makes seed. Seed contains starch. And fiber. Starch does not change to poison. The fiber, if it is whole wheat, becomes poop. Eat a loaf of non gmo wheat bread...get fat. Eat a loaf of GMO wheat bread, you become the undead. Zombies.

Do not mess with the undead or haints.

 

[Don87]

The seeds had been tested by the FDA for years. The only thing the executive order did was stop the FDA from wasting more taxpayer money. You need to realize there are 100s of independent groups still testing. Other groups can test besides the FDA. Testing or not by the FDA has no bearing on all of the other groups and universities doing testing.

PATENTS ARE ISSUED FOR TRIVIAL AND REDUNDANT THINGS ALL OF THE TIME!!! Look up Sun and how they had contests to see who could patent the most trivial and silly thing. Look up who has the patent on toast, yes the kind you eat. If you want an easy example to look up check out the issues with software patents.

Science and patents, really you need to look up the scientific method. There are outlines of how you have to conduct tests and keep track of your data for publishing. You really need to understand this so when you read an article you can tell when someone is giving you good data or they are full of BS. If experiments don't give full data or not enough about them they can be repeated, then someone is trying to hide something.

You and FarmWithJunk keep repeating this, so could you please point to the studies that have been ongoing for the past 22 years, to see if there are any long term effects on humans that eat GMO foods on a daily basis. When you find this study, could you please make sure it has the answers to the pertinent questions that have been asked by others?

 

[Don87]

Wheat. It is not a fiber, its a plant. It makes seed. Seed contains starch. And fiber. Starch does not change to poison. The fiber, if it is whole wheat, becomes poop. Eat a loaf of non gmo wheat bread...get fat. Eat a loaf of GMO wheat bread, you become the undead. Zombies.

Do not mess with the undead or haints.

Is it or isn't it, you sound entirely confused.

Maybe the GMO's have shrunk your brain size as the one study concluded.
Have you had your liver size tested lately?


Or maybe the GMO's are working on me, and I just don't have the capability of understanding your 'plain english'.

 

[Wooddust]

Is it or isn't it, you sound entirely confused.

Maybe the GMO's have shrunk your brain size as the one study concluded.
Have you had your liver size tested lately?

Liver size?