Wildfire Protection

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Larry Caldwell

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With all the homes burning, it occurred to me that people who don't normally live in a wildfire area might not know what they should do to preserve their house.

1 - The first thing to do is clean your gutters. During dry weather, the duff in the bottom of the gutter turns into tinder. A single spark will light it, and the fire will burn up under the roofing and catch the roof sheathing on fire.

2 - Cedar shake roofs are a bad choice. The best roof for a house in wildfire areas is metal. Second comes any other class A fire resistive roofing, like vitreous tile (bad choice in a hailstorm) or asphalt composition shingles.

3 - Establish a 50 foot defensible space around the house that contains nothing that will flare. Green grass is OK, dry grass not. No oily shrubs like juniper or cedar. No trees within tree height of the house, and remember, that 50 foot pine will be a 100 foot pine someday. Essentially, no fuel stored wihin 50 feet of the house, and no trees or branches that can fall on the house.

4 - Build a driveway that a fire engine can get down. Your local fire department (if you have one) can give you the specifications.

5 - Store fire fighting water. My county requires 1500 gallons on-site storage anywhere a hydrant is not available. You can buy a 2500 gallon spun poly tank for about $800, and that is more water than a fire department tanker hauls. You don't have to have a swimming pool to have on-site water.

6 - Plan your escape. Leave it to the fire department to save your house. Nothing stands in front of a wind driven wildfire. Sometimes the best thing you can do is run.
 
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Good suggestions Larry.

Another is the soffets under the eaves. They either should be flame resistant and/or boxed in with vent screens that won't allow embers to enter the attic space. Often you'll see a stucco house that wouldn't burn otherwise with wood soffets and screens big enough that the wind driven embers get in, and then it's too late.

Phil
 
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Good suggestions.

I would add, that CAL Fire has a good website. Note they recommend a bigger defensible space now, 100'.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/DefensibleSpaceFlyer.pdf

http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/Checklist.pdf

http://www.fire.ca.gov/CDFBOFDB/pdfs/Copyof4291finalguidelines9_29_06.pdf

- Yes, access is crucial. Fire apparatus(Engines, Tenders ect) are BIG. To save your home, we(Fire Dept) needs to be able to get to it. Safely... Remember, this not only applies to wildfires, but for that medical emergency at 2am on a rainy dark night...

- Make your house saveable. If there is difficult access, and no defensible space, it is too dangerous for firefighters to be there. We want to get home to our families too... There are some houses that are just defensible.
 
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You can buy a 2500 gallon spun poly tank for about $800, and that is more water than a fire department tanker hauls

Actually that is not true. Most departments are buying upwards of 3000 or 3500 with some buying tractor trailer tankers. Also, fire department tankers, cisterns and portable tanks are derated at 20% due to never getting all the water out of them.

Everyone had very good points. Remember to keep your driveway numbers posted. We have had numerous issues with house numbers not posted at the end of the driveway. This really can delay our response. Another good resource to use would be to google "FIREWISE PROGRAM". It takes you over everything to prevent your house from being burned or at least make it a higher priority for fire crews. They prioritize houses buy defendable or non defendable. If they know they have a good shot because you did your homework it helps them that much more.
 
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I've been pricing tanks... Would like to buy one of the 2500 gallon tanks for $800 +/-

Any idea where to go?
 
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Was jus tlooking at a 3000 gal potable water tank, black, at tractor supply for 1,399.00
 
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Tankers fly thru the air and drop retardant :D

Water Tenders on the other hand... My NFPA D/O book calls them "Mobile Water Supply Apparatus" known as Tenders or Tankers... FWIW, Tenders in my area range around 3000 gallons. Here is the one I have been doing some driver training on.

It must be a regional thing. Around here, if you call for a tanker, you're gonna get a plane carrying retardant.

Tankers can range from 1,000 - 8,000+ gallons...
 

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RobertN,

It is a regional thing, It is supposed to be a national deal but I have rarely heard anyone differentiate between the two when in PA and VA. VA also really does not contract any air tankers. That is a nice ford open cab engine in the back ground.

CompactTractorFan,

Size is also a regional thing. Usually departments will buy what works for there area as in size, manuverability and cost. The most around here seem to be 3500 down to 1850. When I volunteered in PA it was dealers choice on what was around. I seen everything from old septic trucks converted to the newest fanciest and biggest available. I have not seen to many tractor trailer jobs and would like to work with one a time or two. The problem with getting over 3500 gal. and tractor trailers is there is a lot more time involved in training people to drive. Thus equalling fewer drivers.
 
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Tankers fly thru the air and drop retardant :D

Water Tenders on the other hand... My NFPA D/O book calls them "Mobile Water Supply Apparatus" known as Tenders or Tankers... FWIW, Tenders in my area range around 3000 gallons. Here is the one I have been doing some driver training on.

It must be a regional thing. Around here, if you call for a tanker, you're gonna get a plane carrying retardant.

Yeah, it is a east/west coast thing...
 

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