VERY expensive beet juice!

[avc8130]

I got quoted $3.05 and $3.50 per gallon for Rim Guard from 2 different "local" dealers. I wasn't real happy with their install policies so I am searching for a 55 gallon drum to go pick some up with. 58 gallons will fit in my tires, but I figure 55 will be close enough.

ac

 

[Soundguy]

I'm all for WWF but I'm NOT planning to handle 150 jugs. CaCl2 is going to be convenient as my dealer will just deal with it.

I'm still holding out for a decent deal of beet juice or bulk WWF. Also looking to see where I can find Methanol in the appropriate quantity.

FWJ and SoundGuy's posts regarding some perspective on the evil CaCl2 had had me re-thinking about the classic option that everyone knows about here. Everyone looks at me like I have two horns when I suggest I don't want to ballast with it because it is corrosive. They response is 'yeah thats why you use tubes'

Is it really possible to have a leak go without you finding it really causing damage with CaCl2? My tire guy says that you just want to watch for the valves after around 10 years.

if the tire gets low looking and you see a puddle, dead grass. or rust.. ya got a leak.

unless the tube gets compromised.. i'd check the valve stem for leaks..

soundguy

 

[sweep]

I got quoted $3.05 and $3.50 per gallon for Rim Guard from 2 different "local" dealers. I wasn't real happy with their install policies so I am searching for a 55 gallon drum to go pick some up with. 58 gallons will fit in my tires, but I figure 55 will be close enough.

ac

My 2 local RimGuard dealers will not sell the juice by itself. ..they have to install it also...at least that was their policy until last year or so.

 

[IslandTractor]

My 2 local RimGuard dealers will not sell the juice by itself. ..they have to install it also...at least that was their policy until last year or so.

I spoke to the RimGuard manufacturer a few years ago. There is a practical reason for this relating to how viscous the material is and the special pumps they use to get it in. I'm sure it could flow in via a burp valve but it might take a very long time.

 

[IslandTractor]

I'm all for WWF but I'm NOT planning to handle 150 jugs. CaCl2 is going to be convenient as my dealer will just deal with it.

I'm still holding out for a decent deal of beet juice or bulk WWF. Also looking to see where I can find Methanol in the appropriate quantity.

Methanol is usually available in 55 gallon drums from fuel distributors, at least in my area. It can also be purchased at race tracks.

WWF is no muss no fuss but unless you like blue or orange dye, there is practically no difference between WWF and appropriately diluted methanol. You can dilute the methanol in the tire so it really is just a matter of measuring the amount and pumping it into the tire via a burp valve followed by the appropriate volume of H20.

 

[avc8130]

My 2 local RimGuard dealers will not sell the juice by itself. ..they have to install it also...at least that was their policy until last year or so.

I called Rim Guard directly after getting the "bad news" from dealers with regard to their install policies. The manufacture assured me that most dealers are more than willing to sell the product separately as it is easy money.
ac

 

[canoetrpr]

Methanol is usually available in 55 gallon drums from fuel distributors, at least in my area. It can also be purchased at race tracks.

WWF is no muss no fuss but unless you like blue or orange dye, there is practically no difference between WWF and appropriately diluted methanol. You can dilute the methanol in the tire so it really is just a matter of measuring the amount and pumping it into the tire via a burp valve followed by the appropriate volume of H20.

This sounds quite promising.

 

[canoetrpr]

I spoke to the RimGuard manufacturer a few years ago. There is a practical reason for this relating to how viscous the material is and the special pumps they use to get it in. I'm sure it could flow in via a burp valve but it might take a very long time.

Wait a sec. I didn't realize this at all. Do dealers really use different equipment to get this in? I've been trying to source the product locally - it is not RimGuard but there is a Canadian source for a similar beet juice product. I've been expecting that you can get it in the tire using 'standard' equipment.

 

[IslandTractor]

Wait a sec. I didn't realize this at all. Do dealers really use different equipment to get this in? I've been trying to source the product locally - it is not RimGuard but there is a Canadian source for a similar beet juice product. I've been expecting that you can get it in the tire using 'standard' equipment.

You can get it in but slowly. It is much more viscous than WWF, water, methanol or CaCl. Think maple syrup or molassas consistency. The dealers use more powerful pumps than are typically used for liquids with water type viscocity. Unless it burned a pump out which could be avoided by not running it constantly, I don't see any reason that a standard water pump or just gravity drainage would not work. It would just take longer.

 

[Short Game]

Starting with some form of alcohol-water mix, are there any types of solids that can be dissolved into the brew to increase the weight that wouldn't be corrosive, or worse?

I know that dairies have been stopped from dumping whey solids. Would something like that improve specific gravity? There has to be something else that could be about as good as desugared beet juice out there. The depleted beet juice was an unwanted waste product until someone started calling it something else.

It has been looking more all the time like the secret "fracking" mixture that is pumped into the ground is also a cover for the natural gas industry to dispose of varied industrial wastes, and do it with no oversight or liability (thanks to the free pass they got from Congress). Anyway, there are lots of byproducts out there, and probably more than one that could harmlessly fill a tractor tire.

Just something to think about, as we give so much thought and discussion to this issue. Not all of us are able to just throw money at these problems. I want loaded tires but my wallet is running on empty.