Loader Snowplow

[nwngunner]

So i have started to work on a snow plow off of my old dodge to make it fit on to the loader of my tractor. All is going well i got the valve body and all of that good stuff. How ever i am running in to a snag. The pump that came off of the truck ran from a belt. The main pulley was the crank pulley down to about a 6inch pulley. So i know that the pump is way to high speed to be shaft driven off of the pto. So i am looking for is suggestions and or ideas. I am in the process of looking for a pto pump how ever they are costly.

 

[grsthegreat]

So i have started to work on a snow plow off of my old dodge to make it fit on to the loader of my tractor. All is going well i got the valve body and all of that good stuff. How ever i am running in to a snag. The pump that came off of the truck ran from a belt. The main pulley was the crank pulley down to about a 6inch pulley. So i know that the pump is way to high speed to be shaft driven off of the pto. So i am looking for is suggestions and or ideas. I am in the process of looking for a pto pump how ever they are costly.

yup.. major costly, plus they heat the hyd oil so much that it needs a large reservoir to store it and allow it to do some cooling. Mine has a 50 gallon tank.


\EDIT: SILLY ME.... you said plow ... i read blower. Never mind this post

 

[nwngunner]

Oh cripes i was thinking about that, humm i could put an oil cooler inline to take care of that as well. The thing i was thinking i can shut the pto off when i am not needing it being that it is right there. Would a oil cooler from say a truck restrict the flow to much to the pump? I am not using the pump to lift the blade, i am just using it to turn the blade. I have single action rams so i dont need constant pressure to keep the blade turned.

 

[Ductape]

Why not just tap into your tractor's hydraulics to turn the plow? If you do a little searching here, you will find many who have done the same.

 

[High Compression]

Why not just tap into your tractor's hydraulics to turn the plow? If you do a little searching here, you will find many who have done the same.

Agreed. Just get a third function kit for the loader. They sell them on "Everything Attachments". I think they're about $800.00. Then you have that function for a grapple bucket, auger, etc. I'm going to set mine up to have a hydraulic quick attach like my Bobcat too.

 

[JCByrd24]

Why not just tap into your tractor's hydraulics to turn the plow? If you do a little searching here, you will find many who have done the same.

Yes, for a plow you don't need another hydraulic pump. Many people simply use the curl circuit for angling, others add a remote and use that, either way will be easier than adapting an underhood truck pump for pto use.

The pic grs posted is for a loader mounted hydraulic snowblower, that requires a lot of flow constantly, those need a PTO pump as tractor hydraulics cannot drive the blower fast enough.

 

[nwngunner]

I wish it was as simple as connecting in to my curl function and adding another remote. I dont have a 3rd function nor do i want to have to reconnecting and disconnecting lines in the middle of winter. This has to be easy on easy off as its going on the tractor i use to feed cattle.

The curl function is a good idea if i were to put high pressure three way ball valves in line shut the lines off going the curls and then plumb into my turn cylinders. I will have to look and see how my single action rams are made up, i dont know as if that is going to work with out a valve body to allow the other cylinder to spool back.

 

[grsthegreat]

You know, my mistake. I misread the original posting to mean your adding a front mounted BLOWER not a plow. For a plow all you would need to do is run it off of the tractors hydraulics. I agree adding a separate hydraulic pump just for blade angeling would be too much. They have remote power kits or electric dividing valve kits available.

 

[Rockgod]

yup.. major costly, plus they heat the hyd oil so much that it needs a large reservoir to store it and allow it to do some cooling. Mine has a 50 gallon tank.

Grsthegreat,

Sir, your set-up is the one I'm most looking forward to see working this winter! Lots of photos and video are in order! :licking:

 

[grsthegreat]

Grsthegreat,

Sir, your set-up is the one I'm most looking forward to see working this winter! Lots of photos and video are in order! :licking:

Noprob... the only thing is now i probably wont see snow for 10 years LOL

 

[kennyd]

I wish it was as simple as connecting in to my curl function and adding another remote. I dont have a 3rd function nor do i want to have to reconnecting and disconnecting lines in the middle of winter. This has to be easy on easy off as its going on the tractor i use to feed cattle.

The curl function is a good idea if i were to put high pressure three way ball valves in line shut the lines off going the curls and then plumb into my turn cylinders. I will have to look and see how my single action rams are made up, i dont know as if that is going to work with out a valve body to allow the other cylinder to spool back.

How will you avoid connecting/disconnecting hoses with your proposed setup:confused2:

Any normal/regular valve will see the two SA (single acting) cylinders on the plow as one DA (dual acting) cylinder. The only trouble that you could encounter is if the valve has the regen (regenerative) feature on all the time, but most don't.

Do you have a rear remote on your machine?

 

[nwngunner]

no i do not have a rear remote that is the problem, i have the valve body that does just as you say. I have no way to put my remotes into float to power the valve body if i would disconnect my curls. The lines on the plow it self have quick attach and i was going to put new ones with the built in pressure releases so they are easy to disconnect.

 

[zmansmac]

I've had a loader mounted plow blade for years. And I needed the lift and curl functions intact since I have a cement and mostly gravel drive where I needed to angle the plow back on the gauge wheels for the gravel part. It only took one winter of manually changing the blade angle to go with a power setup. So I bought an inexpensive valve and some hoses and quick connects from Surplus Center. MadReferee (may he rest in peace) led me through the hookup which was essentially putting the new valve in series with my loader valve. Here is a picture of my setup. This would give you a quick disconnect for your power angle and not interfere with the loader function. And it uses the tractor's hydraulics.

JohnZ
B7500

 

[kennyd]

no i do not have a rear remote that is the problem, i have the valve body that does just as you say. I have no way to put my remotes into float to power the valve body if i would disconnect my curls. The lines on the plow it self have quick attach and i was going to put new ones with the built in pressure releases so they are easy to disconnect.

What tractor do you have?

Adding a new valve is the most cost effective/useful way to hook up your plow.

 

[nwngunner]

I am old school compared to you guys, my main winter tractor is a 1650 Oliver, my other is an internaional/farmall 806. I used a rear blade last winter and i hated it, to much backing up for me. I got some feelers out trying to find a pump.

 

[dstig1]

Well if you are dead set on adding a pump, then go crazy but everyone has given you the easier solution - add a third function valve. It takes a little bit of time to get it installed, but that depends on how fast you are and/or how picky you are about the install. Otherwise it's mostly connecting some new hoses and such. Then if you want to get a grapple, you are ready to go!

 

[nwngunner]

i dont see how that is going to work for me, i can not set my remotes to always power another valve. I dont want to have to open one valve to provide power to another to turn the blade.

 

[nwngunner]

I should say this another way, i dont have live remotes.

 

[dstig1]

You don't need remotes. The 3rd function was designed to get around that. I think the most common type is what I have - electric over hydraulic diverter. You add an electrically operated hydraulic switch. When you press and hold a switch on the joystick that you add as part of this, the diverter switches from one circuit to another and typically sends the fluid that was driving the dump/curl function to a new circuit. In my case I use it for Grapple open/close. Yours would be for angle left/right. You wouldn't want to use this for anything that requires constant flow but for grapples and plow angling, it's perfect.

 

[nwngunner]

ok i dont mean to sound dense but how do i add that to my tractor? i only have 4 lines on my tractor loader up and down and curl. Mabey i am just confused to where the 3rd function would connect. I am starting to get what your saying, it goes inline and on my curl remote i put a momentary on switch to power say a selonid valve?