best 9mm?

[Soundguy]

Nice thing about a GLOCK...no safety. Just like a computer mouse...point and click.
Drawing from a holster quickly...now that can be a sticking point, especially if the holster is buried under layers of clothing or a buttoned or zippered jacket.
One does need to practice drawing (with an unloaded handgun, of course). And one does want a good quality holster that will retain the gun, yet allow a quick draw.
That said, I wear an old Galco OWB with a retention strap. The strap pops loose quite easily (but not easy enough to come off by itself). Works for me...but as I'd written earlier, I don't care where I hit the assailant, as long as I stop him.

yep.. the sig p230 I carry, it has a fish in the tube, and I carry it de-cocked, just unholster and squeze the first round of DA.. it uses a form fit custom paddle holster, no strap .. but again as you say.. you might have to dig for it..

my keltec p3at is a lil more accessable in a pocket holster, but still.. in hand is better when a purp is at 6'...

soundguy

 

[Beltzington]

I have several handguns and the question that bothers me the most is, am I mentally prepared to take another human life? Imagine a family member coming home unexpectedly in the middle of the night and the downside becomes immediately apparent. The easy answer is what gun to use:

1. Whatever is available when I need it?
2. Whatever I can afford
3. Whatever I can use to hit what I am aiming at

To answer the OP all of your choices are fine guns and I would not want to be on the receiving end of any modern 9mm HP bullet. +1 on test drive before buying. Personally I can't stand Glocks, I don't shoot them well, they are however the standard of reliability. On handguns, I carry a small .357 revolver because it is light, easily concealable and if the bad guy is more then 20-feet away I am avoiding the conflict.

Handguns are great, everyone should own a dozen. I just wish there was more discussion on the concept of lethal force and less on the tool. Take Care!

 

[yooper1]

Imagine a family member coming home unexpectedly in the middle of the night and the downside becomes immediately apparent.
<snip ></ snip> I just wish there was more discussion on the concept of lethal force and less on the tool.

In a home security scenario if anyone and I mean anyone discharges their weapon at someone or something without / before identifying 100% the possible victim is a bad guy and that there is the definite / immediate threat of bodily harm being done to themselves or a family member, then they should not own or handle a weapon.

Any good concealed gun teacher / program will / should hammer that into an attendees mind. (along with common sense)

No one in my opinion, should ever blindly fire a weapon any where at what they cannot see but think of as a threat.

Those are the people that the gun grabbers want and that the gun grabbers bomb the media with. Those are the ones who will mess up everything for the rest of us that are adult enough, smart enough and able to think situations thru.

 

[Bird]

No one in my opinion, should ever blindly fire a weapon any where at what they cannot see but think of as a threat.

Yep, I'm sure we've all heard of hunters who fired at something they thought might be a deer (or whatever game they were hunting) and instead hit a person, cow, horse, etc. And of course, some people have shot through doors when they thought there was a threat on the other side.

To fire before positively identlfying your target is . . . well, incredible.

 

[Beltzington]

I imagined some would confuse technique with application. No amount of training can fully prepare individuals for the taking of another life. I am not saying it is never justified, I am suggesting it needs to be taken seriously and considered as a last resort.

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. got to id target and percieve threat before discharge..

soundguy

 

[yooper1]

I look at it this way.

The person or persons:

- breaking down your door
- breaking a window to get in
- rummaging thru your house in the dark while you are asleep
- wielding a knife and approaching you
- wielding a bat / club and approaching you
- ripping your car door open at a stop light / sign
- chasing after you in any setting

is / are not doing it to say hello and give you a hug.

They are more than likely planning to do something to you or your family if you stand in their way of what they are looking for (ie; money; electronics; jewelry; your car; or you wife / daughter)

The ONLY reason to use a firearm in defense is because you BELIEVE you or a family member or friend is in immediate and imminent threat of bodily harm which includes, but not limited to, fear of death, bodily injury and sexual penetration.

With that in mind, I honestly can say that I would have no trouble pulling the trigger to stop the threat if possible.

I would rather do that than be beat up, stabbed, killed or see my wife or daughter raped or beat or killed.

Granted, it would not be pleasant but, it would be correct at that moment.

And, a person will have to be prepared for whatever their action brings. (ie; civil lawsuits; sleepless nights; flashbacks, etc)


and most of all everyone needs to think of the IMMEDIATE threat. If the threat is not immediate and imminent, and there is a way to get away without deadly force, then no firearm should ever be used

 

[Soundguy]

. (ie; civil lawsuits; sleepless nights; flashbacks, etc)

at least in florida, you are allowed to defend yourself and are protected from civil lawsuits when doing so.

rest of the states, even the communest north and west ones need to fall in and treat the people like citizens and not subjects..

soundguy

 

[beersngars]

at least in florida, you are allowed to defend yourself and are protected from civil lawsuits when doing so.

rest of the states, even the communest north and west ones need to fall in and treat the people like citizens and not subjects..

soundguy

Here in Ohio, we got the "castle doctrine" passed a few years back. In a nutshell, if a bad guy enters your home or car, you have a green light to use deadly force. Also the poor "victims" family, or the bad guy if he lives has can not sue you. Before this, Ohio was a "need to retreat" state meaning you had to leave your own home rather than fight if there was an exit available.

 

[JB4310]

Handguns are great, everyone should own a dozen. I just wish there was more discussion on the concept of lethal force and less on the tool. Take Care!

I appreciate where you're coming from, but there really isn't much to discuss when it comes to needing to use lethal force. your either capable of it or not.
If some one is a pacifist and refuses to take another's life that is their right.
I'm kind of a pacifist but I will not submit to a physical assault or allow anyone within in my proximity to be physical assaulted. I will intervene with deadly physical force if all else fails to stop the threat.

Might suffer afterwards with guilt over killing someone, even if it was legally justified. It is almost impossible to predict how much guilt one may have.

No one in my opinion, should ever blindly fire a weapon any where at what they cannot see but think of as a threat.

Most of the gun nuts around here are also high quality flashlight nuts. A good high power light is as important as your handgun at night, for exactly the reason you bring up. And a huge plus, besides identifying your target, is these new generation lights are so powerful and some have pulsing strobe feature that will temporarily blind a person. This does 2 things, first clearly identifies and second, buys you precious time, possibly enough time to retreat without the need to engage the target in question.
Puts you in total control of the situation.

I carry a good flashlight every day and night. 4-sevens is my choice right now. Small little 2 cell lights that are remarkably bright and pretty energy efficient.

4Sevens Quark X 123^2 - 4sevens-store

Wow this must be new, 360 lumens! from two 3 volt batteries, for $65.00 :licking:

I've got one that looks just like this one but is only half as bright.

at least in florida, you are allowed to defend yourself and are protected from civil lawsuits when doing so.

rest of the states, even the communest north and west ones need to fall in and treat the people like citizens and not subjects..

soundguy

I think it's the same everywhere, you always have the right to defend yourself or others. What differs is some places allow deadly force in the protection of property.

Sec. 53a-19. Use of physical force in defense of person. :: Chapter 951 — Penal Code: Statutory Construction; Principlesof Criminal Liability (contains Secs. 53a-4 to 53a-23) :: Title 53a — Penal Code (contains Chapters 950 to 952) :: 200

No communism here, 3 short paragraphs that very much protect the individuals right to self defense.

I like gun talk almost as much as tractor talk

JB