Buying Advice Aurora Silent Diesel Generator

   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #21  
Realistically, if the generator is for emergency use then even 100hrs per year average would be relatively high. Maybe down south you need 24hr A/C but in New England we manage to use emergency power for only 4-6hrs per day without trouble. Seven days a year without grid power would seem unusual on average too. Maybe 50hrs a year is a better more realistic estimate. For off grid use to top up batteries etc in conjuction with solar or wind would probably use only 500hrs/yr assuming relatively efficient appliances etc (1.5 hrs/day is about what a sailboat genny runs).

Seems to me that most of us would be better off with gas or propane powered emergency generators as 100hrs/year would still mean about ten years from a 5000-10000W gas engine powered unit costing $500-$1000. Gotta have some other reason than just emergency home backup to justify a diesel unit at three or four times the cost. I'm guesstimating that the average gas/propane powered generator based on the Honda GX or clone lasts about ten years/1000-2000hrs with average maintenance. That does seem where the best bang for the buck is. I know gasoline has its hassles as does propane compared to diesel but still it seems most economical even factoring those things in to the equation. Off the grid is a different matter.



I agree about using the smallest gas genset you can get by with. I have a Honda 2000i, 3000i and the Onan CMQD5500. I also have a Miller trailblazer portable welder about 8kw that will wake up the dead when running. That said I can get by easily for a couple of weeks with the small rv and Honda 2000. As long as the natural gas is available I can run the furnace blower with the Honda 2000 at home.

Supposed to snow here all day and night, I will see if I need the gensets.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #22  
I saw some figures on solar installation cost a few days ago. It was $5 / watt for home and I think $1 / watt for commercial. Since each home system is unique this makes sense. It looks like long term even the solar will be from central plants.



Pretty much my take on it too. Now if you wan't to be optimistic and go through all the work and expense......
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #23  
Funny we are talking gensets again, In the for sale section I have a 12,000 continuous, 14400 surge set for sale. Over the years (33 to be exact) we learned to get use to using gas gensets,, We lose power here very frequently. This last stint was a few hours over 10 days straight,, Very common, at least once a month and sometimes more, 18 hour losses are the norm,, Anyway, several of the big shots resigned from CT light and power after this last stint,, One would think, new england area, first in the nation of USA and shouldn't be a problem,,, well it is. Anyway, our two neighbors have propane powered generac sets,, I won't post how much it really cost them because undoubtedly it will start a flame war here,, They used a minimum of 100 gallons every 3 days or less,, One neighbor we finally convinced to run it at needed and not 24/7 burning up the fuel. We used 6 gallons a day of 93 octane gas costing 26,-28 dollars per day. As a past deputy fire chief I've learned a lot, When roads are shut down for lengthy periods and one can't get out, what do you do when that 100 gallon propane tank runs dry? Almost everyone to a "T" uses 1 or 2, 100 gall tanks here,, I never looked into it for I had no reason to, but maybe 100 tanks are all that is allowed, ALthough I am not positive on this,, I never seen the large "pig" tanks until crossing over into New York state and others.
When weather says large snow storm or like we have had recently, a tornado and hurricane, both doing extensive damage plus 13 inches of extreme heavy snow on Oct 29th, we fill the pick up truck and wife's car with gas. As in the past, when I run out of stored gas, we start siphoning from the vehicles and thus stay in business,, Your not going to do this with propane,, It works well with diesel also as long as you have oil for heat and fairly full tanks,, Just something I've learned over many years and numerous power outages.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator
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#24  
Im pretty conservative when the power goes out. I like to run my wood furnace blow, grid and freezer. Ill sit in the dark and play with the kids. Oh, I need to run a 1hp well pump every once in awhile. It 600ft deep.
I was looking at 3500 kW gas gennys, but when I saw the diesel gennys, I thought...more reliable. My concern is really that I haven't heard of this company and if anyone has had real experience with the Aurora Company and how their products stack up.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #25  
Funny we are talking gensets again, In the for sale section I have a 12,000 continuous, 14400 surge set for sale. Over the years (33 to be exact) we learned to get use to using gas gensets,, We lose power here very frequently. This last stint was a few hours over 10 days straight,, Very common, at least once a month and sometimes more, 18 hour losses are the norm,, Anyway, several of the big shots resigned from CT light and power after this last stint,, One would think, new england area, first in the nation of USA and shouldn't be a problem,,, well it is. Anyway, our two neighbors have propane powered generac sets,, I won't post how much it really cost them because undoubtedly it will start a flame war here,, They used a minimum of 100 gallons every 3 days or less,, One neighbor we finally convinced to run it at needed and not 24/7 burning up the fuel. We used 6 gallons a day of 93 octane gas costing 26,-28 dollars per day. As a past deputy fire chief I've learned a lot, When roads are shut down for lengthy periods and one can't get out, what do you do when that 100 gallon propane tank runs dry? Almost everyone to a "T" uses 1 or 2, 100 gall tanks here,, I never looked into it for I had no reason to, but maybe 100 tanks are all that is allowed, ALthough I am not positive on this,, I never seen the large "pig" tanks until crossing over into New York state and others.
When weather says large snow storm or like we have had recently, a tornado and hurricane, both doing extensive damage plus 13 inches of extreme heavy snow on Oct 29th, we fill the pick up truck and wife's car with gas. As in the past, when I run out of stored gas, we start siphoning from the vehicles and thus stay in business,, Your not going to do this with propane,, It works well with diesel also as long as you have oil for heat and fairly full tanks,, Just something I've learned over many years and numerous power outages.

A 100 gallon tank to me equates to a Bernz-o-Matic cylinder......:)

I run 2 -500's and a spare 500 by the shop for 1500 gallon total...

My 17 KW will run a solid month, 24-7 on a 500. Here's hoping that never happens.

The OP's comment about Aurora genny's...

I believe the only thing American is the name....
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #26  
lamarbur said:
Funny we are talking gensets again, In the for sale section I have a 12,000 continuous, 14400 surge set for sale. Over the years (33 to be exact) we learned to get use to using gas gensets,, We lose power here very frequently. This last stint was a few hours over 10 days straight,, Very common, at least once a month and sometimes more, 18 hour losses are the norm,, Anyway, several of the big shots resigned from CT light and power after this last stint,, One would think, new england area, first in the nation of USA and shouldn't be a problem,,, well it is. Anyway, our two neighbors have propane powered generac sets,, I won't post how much it really cost them because undoubtedly it will start a flame war here,, They used a minimum of 100 gallons every 3 days or less,, One neighbor we finally convinced to run it at needed and not 24/7 burning up the fuel. We used 6 gallons a day of 93 octane gas costing 26,-28 dollars per day. As a past deputy fire chief I've learned a lot, When roads are shut down for lengthy periods and one can't get out, what do you do when that 100 gallon propane tank runs dry? Almost everyone to a "T" uses 1 or 2, 100 gall tanks here,, I never looked into it for I had no reason to, but maybe 100 tanks are all that is allowed, ALthough I am not positive on this,, I never seen the large "pig" tanks until crossing over into New York state and others.
When weather says large snow storm or like we have had recently, a tornado and hurricane, both doing extensive damage plus 13 inches of extreme heavy snow on Oct 29th, we fill the pick up truck and wife's car with gas. As in the past, when I run out of stored gas, we start siphoning from the vehicles and thus stay in business,, Your not going to do this with propane,, It works well with diesel also as long as you have oil for heat and fairly full tanks,, Just something I've learned over many years and numerous power outages.

I am surprised how much propane was used. How big where these generacs?

Thanks for correcting me.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #27  
Yes
I am aware the OP's question was about Aurora gensets., Like others I was trying to add another possibility in case one can't get off the property,, Both neighbors have 17,000 generacs, I agree it shouldn't use that much gas, however they did.. The one neighbor finally shut theirs down at night, like we do,, Get up early, restart and allow the furnace to heat the home then breakfast or whatever else one does. Regardless, I have never seen bigger than 100 gallon tanks,, It makes no economic sense to me to be messing with small tanks,, Again, however, I am not positive it is a local ordinance thing or not,.,. Or just plain habit by the local propane supplier.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #28  
The downside of gas gens is you have to make sure the fuel is kept good continuously. Gas these days does not last long and gums up carbs quickly, pretty sad. Hopefully they get smarter with bigger gens like they have with smaller ones like the Honda EU series. Built in inverters and eco mode that has the gen running at a RPM that is what is needed for the load instead of 3600rpm even if nothing is running. I'm on town water so I can run all my necessary items on my father in-law's Honda EU2000. It's very quiet and sips gas seeing it's usually only idling. When both fridge and freezer are running it blips up to start the compressor then comes right back down. You having a 220v well would mean an expensive gen in this style but the inverter technology could possibly work into your wanting to go wind/solar at some point. My generator is a 4kw Generac I got cheap because one of the lifters broke. Cheap fix and does the job but way louder than the Honda. We lost electricity for a few days in October, I only ran it during the day and used maybe 8 to 10 gallons of gas. The Honda was maybe 1.5 gallons for a similar outage when I used it before I got the Generac.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #29  
Sorry for this question, but I have been wanting to ask a question but can't find where to start one. It is about a generator, so thought I would ask how on here. any help? I have in the past but just can't figure out how or something changed and I am not aware of it. How do I start a thread????? thanks, John
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #30  
lamarbur said:
Yes
I am aware the OP's question was about Aurora gensets., Like others I was trying to add another possibility in case one can't get off the property,, Both neighbors have 17,000 generacs, I agree it shouldn't use that much gas, however they did.. The one neighbor finally shut theirs down at night, like we do,, Get up early, restart and allow the furnace to heat the home then breakfast or whatever else one does. Regardless, I have never seen bigger than 100 gallon tanks,, It makes no economic sense to me to be messing with small tanks,, Again, however, I am not positive it is a local ordinance thing or not,.,. Or just plain habit by the local propane supplier.

Maybe they did not run them dry. It takes a minimum amount of surface area or volume of propane to supply enough flow to keep the generator running. It may shutdown when the tank is half full. 100 gallons sounds very small.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #31  
jwnge said:
Sorry for this question, but I have been wanting to ask a question but can't find where to start one. It is about a generator, so thought I would ask how on here. any help? I have in the past but just can't figure out how or something changed and I am not aware of it. How do I start a thread????? thanks, John

Go to a forum and on the left side just above the threads is a "New Thread" button. Click on that. Hope this helps.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #32  
Im pretty conservative when the power goes out. I like to run my wood furnace blow, grid and freezer. Ill sit in the dark and play with the kids. Oh, I need to run a 1hp well pump every once in awhile. It 600ft deep.
I was looking at 3500 kW gas gennys, but when I saw the diesel gennys, I thought...more reliable. My concern is really that I haven't heard of this company and if anyone has had real experience with the Aurora Company and how their products stack up.


I would be interested in follow ups on the Aurora genset too, but maybe I am cynical about these as a well known US brand such as Onan is about $6000 roughly, besides labor what else was left out?
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #33  
jenkinsph said:
I would be interested in follow ups on the Aurora genset too, but maybe I am cynical about these as a well known US brand such as Onan is about $6000 roughly, besides labor what else was left out?

Quality control, local dealer support, factory technical support, marketing, advertising, regional repair and parts facilities. research and development, healthcare costs for company employees. Probably left out about $100 in higher quality parts too.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #35  
Howdy,
You can have a large propane tank onsite. A 100 is the largest transportable (DOT Standards) that is allowed. The same thing goes for a Diesel Transfer tank in a Pickup truck (DOT standards says 109 gallons) If you have a propane genset, and only have a 100 gallon tank, you would need to disconnect it, drive somewhere, re-fill it and drive home. Most of the time when you need to run the generator, the roads might be impassible with trees and lines down. A larger onsite propane tank sounds great, until it runs out and the big propane delivery truck can not get to you.

Farm= tractor, and diesel. The diesel genset might cost more, but the same thing could be said about a diesel tractor. Cost more, but runs a long time.

Tip*
You said you have a 1hp pump sitting at 600ft. You will need at least a 6kw genset to crank that pump. A little honda 3000i will not do it.

Things to think about
Diesel generator= liquid cooled running at 1800rpm is the way to go. Yes, air cooled is cheaper, so is a genset running at 3600rpm.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator
  • Thread Starter
#36  
I kind of figured I need a 6kW genny to power that 1hp beast of a pump. I've looked and looked for people who has experience with theses Aurora Gennys. The company has bigger ones that look really nice, with a really nice price tag. They are 3 cyl diesel engines of various company, with output ranging from 9kW to 50kW...overkill for me. These unit start out at $4500, that a big difference from $1600. I've seen some other "Silent Diesel" gennys from other companies, for about the same price. Sam's Club had one for $1250 with about the same configuration. Suppositly the Aurora brand is better built with relatively the same parts. Aurora say it's UL, CSA, ETL, ABC, and 123 certified (joke for those who didn't get it). The genny also has an voltage regulator (don't know if any different from an inverter) for use with more sensitive electronics. The features goes on and on. But still no relevant opinions on these unit. If any you get a chance to go to thier website, take a look at what they have to say and post your opinion. As of right now a $4000 kick in the wallet would be too much. It would be about $2000 for the Silent Diesel unit shipped and all. Mad, sad, happy, let me know what you think. :thumbsup:

And we'll try not to beat this dead horse too much.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #37  
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #38  
I don't have one, but a friend of mine has the open Aurora diesel generator. I keep asking him how he likes it as I am still considering one. He has put over 300 hrs on it in the last 5 years, he bought it used off of Ebay for $200. He has 2 complaints, it is loud and he keeps forgetting to keep the battery charged so he has to use the pull rope to start it.
I want the enclosed "silent" diesel generator... but I have trouble justifying spending 3x what a good gas generator would cost me. Especially since we only loose power 2x a year and rarely for more than 3 hrs at a time. In the 10 years I have been here, we have only been out for a day or more once. We have wood heat so no issues there, but having a well and being without water for 3 days got ugly. I'm not going the PTO route as I want the wife to be able to fire it up when I am not there. Here is the other diesel generator I am considering, Yanmar powered, 1800rpm, but even more expensive so even harder to justify.
Slow-Turning 5 kW Yanmar Diesel Generator
But it is still cheaper than the Honda inverter I would like to get. Darn well pump is what is driving the bigger, more expensive generator for me. I am looking at a diesel generator due to the tractor and oil tank for the backup heat... I always have plenty of diesel fuel available.
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #39  
Here is the other diesel generator I am considering, Yanmar powered, 1800rpm, but even more expensive so even harder to justify.
Slow-Turning 5 kW Yanmar Diesel Generator
But it is still cheaper than the Honda inverter I would like to get. Darn well pump is what is driving the bigger, more expensive generator for me. I am looking at a diesel generator due to the tractor and oil tank for the backup heat... I always have plenty of diesel fuel available.

Very nice looking unit but it seems more suited for off grid regular use than emergency use. That thing is clearly designed for 10,000hrs plus. I'm also drawn to the diesel on general principles but it is hard to justify for a few days or less a year. Those little Yamaha/Honda inverters that put out 1800-2000W are not enough for a well pump but would probably do fine for truly emergency use to keep the fridge and lights on. At close to a grand they are not cheap but boy are they quiet and easy to move around. We used a 6000W Generac to run well pumps and multiple refridgerators after Irene. Did a fine job though not the quietest thing around.

I'm pondering a 6500/7000W 16hp HF (shudder, cringe) generator to use at my home for welding and emergency back up. Hard to ignore the $499 cost with insider club pricing on an electric start Honda GX clone. I may do it and just run it a lot for the first three months under warranty to see if it breaks. They seem to get good reviews (or at least there are many good reviews posted on the HF site).
 
   / Aurora Silent Diesel Generator #40  
Slow-Turning 5 kW Yanmar Diesel Generator
But it is still cheaper than the Honda inverter I would like to get. Darn well pump is what is driving the bigger, more expensive generator for me. I am looking at a diesel generator due to the tractor and oil tank for the backup heat... I always have plenty of diesel fuel available.

I just called this company cause I was curious what they meant by slow turning. They take that 10 hp motor which is designed to turn 3600 and reduce the speed to 2500 thru a belt system. That's where they get the fuel efficiency and long life. They build to order so it's a 4-5 week wait.
Nice unit if you only needed 4kw, real nice.

That slower turning (gear multiplying) is why it takes 10 hp to get the 4 kw continuous, (more than the standard 2hp/kw) they use that same motor to get 5 kw continuous with a direct drive 3600rpm set up for $2500.

JB
 

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