Looking for my first pocket gun.

[jetwoz]

Just one or two more comments. Go to a range where you can control the lighting and you'll see the absolute value of the built in laser on the S&W Bodyguard, if you need a gun its not always in good lighting conditions. I don't care about how ugly the defensive weapon is as long as its easy to use under the most stressful situations and it always works. On the Smith since the laser is built into the frame its size is small but highly usable. I looked at the Ruger and the Taurus as well. Cost difference between all three was only $26 where I was shopping. I picked the Smith for laser, sights and being able to reload with a useable round in the chamber like the 1911. What I really want for Christmas is a John Wayne pocket gun. You know the type, never runs out of bullets, one hit one destroyed/killed target and if it does fail its easy to throw and knocks the villain out.

 

[foggy1111]

On that note, he also sold me one of these.

Recluse - The Perfect Pocket Holster :: Kel-Tec & Ruger - Recluseｮ Plus in Leather

I'm not to crazy about holsters that don't cover the entire trigger. IMO, three things you want in a pocket holster......(1) orient the gun and provide for an easy draw (2) keep the gun from printing (3) keep stuff out of the trigger and prevent accidental contact with the trigger. (change, chapstick, a kid jumps on your lap etc)

Also, one has to be able to put the holstered gun into, and out of your pocket without an accidental discharge.

To me the extra clip is a nice thought....but adding more weight / size in one location becomes self-defeating of a small gun.

Of course, I have not used the pictured holster.....but I'm just say'in.

 

[Soundguy]

I would not use that holster. It's too easy to but dial my cell phone, I shutter when I think what would happen when the exposed trigger is "dialed". I also don't like the spare magazine stored in the same location as the gun. If I need the second magazine, I have to put the gun in my weak hand to get it, something I don't want to do.

But that's just me.

that's why you don't pull the trigger when unholstering the gun

as for the 2nd mag thing.

here's how I look at it.

1, you HAVE a spare mag.

2, in most defensive situations, merely drawing your gun, USUALY, ends the attack.

3, In a case where you did have to squeeze off a round ( or 3 ) at an attacker, you still have a few left in the gun.. 1 in the pipe and 2 in the mag. it's at that time, that if you think the attack is going to continue, that you crossdraw the spare mag with your weak arm while keeping your eye and gun on the attacker.

4, worst case, if the stuff hits the fan and you are in such a bad situation that you are having to swap to your spare mag in your 'hold out' gun, then things, my friend, are really bad! just be glad to HAD the GUN in the first place, or if the situation is really as bad as we are talking about, then we wouldn't have made it this far down this list, and you'd be using bad language and fist-a-cuffs against the 'army' of bad guys that are now having their way with you.

see.. always a positive side

soundguy

 

[RoyJackson]

I'm not to crazy about holsters that don't cover the entire trigger. IMO, three things you want in a pocket holster......(1) orient the gun and provide for an easy draw (2) keep the gun from printing (3) keep stuff out of the trigger and prevent accidental contact with the trigger. (change, chapstick, a kid jumps on your lap etc)

To me the extra clip is a nice thought....but adding more weight / size in one location becomes self-defeating of a small gun.

There's a trigger block of some sort (click on the link and read the description).

I kind of like the holster, but I never tried rear pocket carry. I really wouldn't want to set on a gun...especially if it's polymer.

As far as weight, considering how light the .32 ACP Kel-Tecs, the .380 Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP are...I just can't see weight being much of a factor.

I'm always leery about buying a holster (of any type) sight unseen. I've done that more then once and I have a drawer half full of unused holsters to prove it.

 

[JB4310]

I picked the Smith for laser, sights and being able to reload with a useable round in the chamber like the 1911.

What do you mean? Are you referring to pistols that wont fire with out a mag in the well? I don't believe any are made like that now, I could be wrong. But I'm certain my Kahr .380 will fire single shot, with no mag.

As far as the laser goes, there were alot of bad reviews when that first came out, they probably worked the kinks out by now, hopefully. I looked at that Smith, not sure if it was before or after I already bought the Kahr, but my recollection is I thought it was a little bulkier than the Keltec, Ruger or Kahr. Just a little, and not just because of the laser housing.

JB

 

[Car Doc]

What do you mean? Are you referring to pistols that wont fire with out a mag in the well? I don't believe any are made like that now, I could be wrong. But I'm certain my Kahr .380 will fire single shot, with no mag
JB

I have a 15+ year old Bersa Thunder .380 that wont fire w/o mag it has a trigger dis connector. I will have to check it and get back but I think my current model NAA .380 wont either and I think that is a stupid feature on any weapon but I am not an engineer either. my .02

 

[RoyJackson]

What do you mean? Are you referring to pistols that wont fire with out a mag in the well? I don't believe any are made like that now, I could be wrong. But I'm certain my Kahr .380 will fire single shot, with no mag.

JB

I'm not sure what he means either...it sounds like he's saying he can insert a full magazine in the grip even with a round in the chamber...you can do that with any semi-auto pistol.

JB, what you're describing is a "magazine disconnect" which prevents a semi-auto from firing if the magazine is not seated in the grip.
Some Ruger semi-autos have magazine disconnects...I don't know of any others in current production. Personally, I don't like them...but I carry a Glock. The only safety on a Glock is the safe action trigger mechanism.

As far as your Kahr...check out the manual...or, if you have a safe place to do so, load one round in the mag and load the chamber. Then eject the magazine and fire the weapon. If it shoots, you don't have a magazine disconnect.

 

[foggy1111]

There's a trigger block of some sort (click on the link and read the description).

I kind of like the holster, but I never tried rear pocket carry. I really wouldn't want to set on a gun...especially if it's polymer.

As far as weight, considering how light the .32 ACP Kel-Tecs, the .380 Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP are...I just can't see weight being much of a factor.

I'm always leery about buying a holster (of any type) sight unseen. I've done that more then once and I have a drawer half full of unused holsters to prove it.

When I read the description, the "trigger block" appears to be more of a retention means than that of a means to prevent access to the trigger. As you do not have a safety with these pistols I consider the holster to be a primary means of providing a safety. I realize that with this rear pocket holster the gun is between your butt cheek and the holster (and hopefully you have a smooth but ). However.........

Inserting and removing the gun and holster behind your back without accidental contact with the trigger (day-in and day-out) is a concern. There are other models made that will cover the entire trigger and trigger guard while providing retention and a slim thickness (kydex). This will prevent accidental contact with the trigger.

Look at the Alabama Holster site to see what I am describing. (I wish I knew how to copy and paste a pic to show here)

 

[JB4310]

I have a 15+ year old Bersa Thunder .380 that wont fire w/o mag it has a trigger dis connector. I will have to check it and get back but I think my current model NAA .380 wont either and I think that is a stupid feature on any weapon but I am not an engineer either. my .02

It's supposed to be a safety feature for the bozos who might otherwise blow their head off because they thought their gun was unloaded simply because they removed the magizine.

I remember years back when it came out, (or became popular) LEO's were especially against it.

I'm not sure what he means either...it sounds like he's saying he can insert a full magazine in the grip even with a round in the chamber...you can do that with any semi-auto pistol.

JB, what you're describing is a "magazine disconnect" which prevents a semi-auto from firing if the magazine is not seated in the grip.
Some Ruger semi-autos have magazine disconnects...I don't know of any others in current production. Personally, I don't like them...but I carry a Glock. The only safety on a Glock is the safe action trigger mechanism.

Maybe he's referring to the slide stop? The Kahr has one, I don't believe the keltec or ruger does though.

I'm familiar with the mag safety feature, though I never had a gun with it, and never would want one either. I'm 99.9% sure the kahr will fire w/o the mag though I never tried it live, will at least try it dry today. Actually I'm 99.9% certain I've tried it dry before.

It is a safety feature, but could also render a survival tool worthless.

JB

 

[foggy1111]

Regarding clips and retention.....that is one other thing I dont like about the holster pictured above. The button to release the clip is not covered by the holster. If the clip falls from the gun when pulled from your pocket.....you could have one of those deer in the headlights moments.

Also, being right-handed I may have trouble getting my trigger finger between the leather and the holster? Not an easy draw under pressure?