Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best?

   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best?
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#111  
One of my good friends has a 2001 (I think) Excursion 7.3psd 4x4 auto 11,500 gvw that he recently bought that he now needs to sell because they are adopting another child (They adopted 2 from Ukraine last summer). I think it was just over 100,000 miles when he bought it last summer.

I need a pickup, and I already upgraded the wife's car, or I would probably buy it. It is nice...

If you are interested PM me and I'll get the links to where he has it posted for sale for you.

Be well,
David
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #112  
So, here's the the story of the demise of the 7.3 as I heard it from a field service engineer. First off, it's a good engine, but our "gubment" decided the emmision levels were not good enough. Ford was working on the 6.4 design for a replacement, but still having a hard time getting it clean enough. Thus, the 6.0 was born. Smaller displacement and easier to clean up. And, they could have it out in time for the new standards.

When the 6.0 came out, people would ask about "hot rodding" them with chips, programmers, and such. Now the 7.3 was a big ol' engine which was basically detuned from the factory. It had lots of displacement. The 6.0 comes out with more horsepower and more torque. The only way to get more with less, is to run it near the top of its capabilities.

With the 7.3, you could throw in a programmer, add bigger exhaust, put in a less restrictive air cleaner, and rock and roll. The 6.0s didn't take as kindly to the mods as the 7.3. (Ford was already pushing these 6.0 engines to get the performance from the factory.)
Some 6.0s began to show issues. Mostly the earlier ones were wiring harness chafing, injectors and turbos.

Ford says to International, Thes parts you are building for us are failing. We need them replaced under warranty. International says, ok, here are some new replacement parts for your warranty. Ford ( and International ) finally found a way to make the 6.4 clean enough by using the particulate filter system. They had many less issues, but still had a few. Ford says, your parts are failing, we still need some under warranty. International finally says "it's you design not our parts." (International has gotten tired of handing parts over left and right, and it's costing them.) Ford says our design is solid, your parts are the problem. They have a little lawsuit to straighten things out. Ford wants some changes to the 6.4 engine during production. International doesn't want to change. "You have a contract for so and so many engines, and we are not changing until the contract is fulfilled"

Ford is thinking we need to control our own product. Thus the 6.7 design is born. It's 100% Ford designed and built. No International control. If they see a flaw, Ford can be much quicker to react, make changes, and make things right.

IMHO there is still no substitute for cubic inches. The 6.7 promisies to be a good engine. There are already ways to get rid of the DEF. (Not Ford approved, of course. You know the "gubment" is looking over their shoulder). The 6.7 gets quite a bit more fuel mileage than any of the engines before it. And, even better mileage and power with the DEF delete kit.

If you've read this far, you can tell this is a "narrative" only as I understand it. I don't claim any of this as definative fact, and have no data to back it up. But, it's my story and I'm sticking to it :)
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #113  
Basically, if you want a used reliable diesel truck made from 2003-2009, go with a Ram or GM and forget about all the Ford diesel horror stories.
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #114  
I will read it. But the engineer in me is totally :confused2: over the NEED for all these additives in diesels...

I'm very shocked and confused that there are all of these little problems that the manufacturers don't address and must be "supplemented" after the fact by the end users. . .

There's not a conspiracy here! :laughing:

Metal + water = corrosion. Electrolysis is a reality.
The water heater in your home has an anode. So does an outboard motor. Electrolysis happens. An SCA is how you prevent damage in a diesel engine. That's all.

Take a deep breath. It'll be OK. :D
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #115  
Dmace said:
Basically, if you want a used reliable diesel truck made from 2003-2009, go with a Ram or GM and forget about all the Ford diesel horror stories.

Give it a break... I can drive by my Dodge or GM dealers any day of the week and see just as many in the shop.

Give me some real data, not internet lore from guys like you, about the 6.0 and I will believe it. There are tons of these trucks running around every day doing work without failures.

Chris
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best?
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Basically, if you want a used reliable diesel truck made from 2003-2009, go with a Ram or GM and forget about all the Ford diesel horror stories.

Sorry Derek... I will NEVER own a Fiat nor a Govt Motors. Save the sales pitch.

I am a Ford guy. I own stock in Ford, I will only buy Ford products. I believe I sad that in the opening of this thread (I am the OP afterall...).

I love Cummins, I own stock in Cummins also. Dodge Rams are great trucks, so are Chevy Duramax. But not for me, that is just a personal choice I've made.

EVERY company has lemons. EVERY vehicle needs maintenance.

Thanks for all the insight, I will cosely look at the mechanicals.

David
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best?
  • Thread Starter
#117  
There's not a conspiracy here! :laughing:

Metal + water = corrosion. Electrolysis is a reality.
The water heater in your home has an anode. So does an outboard motor. Electrolysis happens. An SCA is how you prevent damage in a diesel engine. That's all.

Take a deep breath. It'll be OK. :D

Are you sure it is not a conspiracy?

So I need to add this stuff to my gasser motors too?

And all of you people b!tch about computers and all their arcane needs... HAH!

:D

Thanks for yet another firehose I need to drink from to learn how to be the guy I need to be.

David
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #118  
I consider a head gasket problem a major engine problem, so would be inclined to include head gasket issues in with engine issues.

turbo failures are bolt on parts seperate to the engine.. like an ac compressor or power steering pump.

oil leaks? depends on where.. have to be specific. I'd consider a crank seal leak a significant engien problem.. but a oring leak ont he oil filter head in the valley a maintenance issue merely.

small population.. yes.. You list yourself as an engineer, so think back to stat class. the populations we are dealing with are groups of people. the big circle is all 6.0's the small circile in the big circle ar ethe 6.0's with major problems.

We all agree some 6.0's had problems.. it's reported. what i disagree on is the size of the problem population.

if you eat a bad steak.. you tell 10 people about it.

if you eat a good steak.. you might tell 5.

see how that skews the data.

reduced publicity about good running 6.0 is outweighted and overcast by negative publicity of the bad ones.

a few bad ones can make a bunch of good ones look bad.

put 2 tablespoons of diesel into 1000g of potable water. it has been fouled for potable use.

see where I'm going with this

I don't have data either way, past my own personal observations.. however I'm a big fan of innocent until proven guilty, with burden of proof on the accuser.

given that the sample population I've'known' about is nearly 30:1 i'd have to see hard date to believe it was any higher than 5:1 I relaize the problem with small sampling size, as I mentioned earlier.. thus i heavilly discount the widespread possibility of 30:1 as the sample population increases... on that same note.. as it approaches 100%, the probability also drops off shrply too.. thus the 2:1 and 5:1 to a casual observe seem to be an extreme number. I might be beat into believeing 10:1 if I saw much more data backing that up.

ball back to the accusers court for that burden of proof exercise... :)

soundguy

Your not going to find an exact number of problems related to that engine, I'm sure it's a figure well protected by Ford. Also, we're not just talking complete engine destruction, many problems I've seen are turbo failures, oil leaks, blown head gaskets, etc...
None of which are catastrophic when caught early but still unnecessary.

Small population? Your joking right? Ever heard of the internet or forums like this with thousands of real people with real problems?

If your so sure about your "theory" of this engines reliability then YOU should be able to provide "hard data" as well, right...?
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #119  
Sorry Derek... I will NEVER own a Fiat nor a Govt Motors. Save the sales pitch.

I am a Ford guy. I own stock in Ford, I will only buy Ford products. I believe I sad that in the opening of this thread (I am the OP afterall...).

I love Cummins, I own stock in Cummins also. Dodge Rams are great trucks, so are Chevy Duramax. But not for me, that is just a personal choice I've made.

EVERY company has lemons. EVERY vehicle needs maintenance.

Thanks for all the insight, I will cosely look at the mechanicals.

David

I'm more or less a ford guy too.. however I did own a ram 1500 for over a decade. when i started my search for a 1 ton, I did indeed look at gm and dodge products.. came close a few times... though was / would give special consideration to a 7.3psd. as it turns out.. the best deal that came along in a timely fashion was the ford.. so I got it.. am so far happy with it. Not the wind up power of a 6.0.. but for sure has the extra axle capacity and stability I wanted over a SRW truck.
 
   / Looking for USED F-350 - Which year/engine/model is best? #120  
I would consider buying an '06 or newer 6.0 diesel if the price was right. It would be a project truck and I would plan on taking it apart the harder (without removing the cab) way. I would completely remove and block off the EGR system. I would replace the head gaskets and put in ARP head studs. I'd probably add a coolant filter and put it back together. I'd program it to run at stock power levels but without EGR. I think that combination would lead to a reliable motor, with a bulletproof transmission. The problem with all the modern diesels is the emissions stuff. The 6.0 is actually about the only diesel of the more modern ones where you can reasonably remove the EGR and emissions systems without problems. I won't own another 6.4 Powerstroke because although possible to remove the DPF system, it is sketchy trying to remove the EGR system due to the design of the motor. I wouldn't own the LMM DMax either. I would consider a DEF equipped DMax or DEF equipped Ram with Aisin transmission, but I won't own anything with a DPF again that doesn't also have SCR as the fuel economy is pitiful.
 

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