336D injectors

   / 336D injectors #61  
No they only come out the top so you need to pull the head. The gasket is not re-useable either just so I get that info out ahead of time.

Keep me in the loop every step and I guarantee it will run perfect if you listen to me I will be more than happy to keep helping. It has to have even compression on all 3 to run right and you are almost there.
 
   / 336D injectors #62  
You don't have room unless you remove the Crank Shaft. And if you do that Most likely your replacing all the Main and Rod Bearings which I would replace, Seals Etc. Major PITA. You know how and what it takes to redo the Head the only other thing is having to remove the oil pan which is already off if you done the leak down test. "Don't Reuse the "Gasket" If it was mine and I had to Pull the Head. ALL the Cylinders would have had New Rings and be good for Yrs. But that may just be me.;)
 
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#63  
Thanks guys

I plan on replacing the rod bearings and rings. I would rather take the time to do the internals right the first time.
 
   / 336D injectors #64  
Good plan Vern.

The best way is also put all 3 new pistons in and forget about it...:thumbsup:

I like dingleball hones rather than traditional glaze breakers also fwtw. They do a faster and better job and the scratches they produce are way better for seating rings.

If you plan on reusing those pistons let me know I will tell you what to measure and why.
 
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#65  
Have the head loose and ready to lift off. the oil is draining so will try to remove the oil pan cover tomorrow.

Car Doc - Let me know what to measure and why please.

Thank you
 
   / 336D injectors #66  
Vern,

I would like you to please pay close attention to the ring grooves in #2 piston the ring groove clearance and condition of them is critical to ring sealing.

edit: I know you know this but just saying it to be thinking out loud at the risk of sounding redundant but I mark my rods and caps in the engine with a paint marker or a scribe. And I do it on one side near the parting line. IE: Id mark 1-3 and once I have them out put the caps back on and make permanent marks so they dont get mixed up or mis-oriented, front is critical position to know also. :)

If there happens to be a broken ring that almost 100% of the time ruins the piston. Because the pieces floating around with no tension on them wear the grooves something terrible also wears the cyl walls excessively, you will see a deeper ridge is an indication of that. DO NOT CLEAN THE PISTONS WITH A BENCH GRINDER WIRE BRUSH do it with solvent and a scraper and bust a ring and clean the carbon out of the grooves with that if you dont have a ring groove cleaner.

The statement I made earlier about having bad valves wearing grooves applies the same way. The grooves will undoubtedly be worn out if the engine has ran a long time with bad valves its hard to describe why so I wont go into it now.

Take #1 and #3 and measure their grooves with old rings installed and write all that down and do #2 but what we are doing is comparing known good cylinders to a known bad one and gathering facts. looking for at most .001-.002" they need to be pretty tight but still able to move.

Measure the skirts also at right angles to the pin and about 1" above the very bottom of the piston and write that down. Once you have the specs we can compare them to the book so let me know.

If all are the same I see no reason they cant be re-used unless the skirts are too worn but lets wait and see I have my suspicions. oh btw look for cracks in the skirts and around the ring grooves leading to the pin bore etc look careful. have fun :)
 
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   / 336D injectors #68  
Very good point Bruce! :thumbsup:

(I think he said #2 had a bad valve when he did the leak down)

edit: To add to what Bruce pointed out Vern when you have the head off and can turn it with a socket on the crank bolt please turn each piston to TDC.

Use a dial indicator if possible (you can eye ball it too not as accurate) and measure the piston top to liner distance as best you can may take a straight edge across the liner and a feeler gage between it and the pistons.

A difference of say .050-.100" would make a lot of difference in compression a few thousanths may not. fwtw better take the extra steps now than wish you had later imo.
 
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#69  
Been busy at work so just got the chance to pull the pistons this morning. The Middle piston would not come out of the cyclinder, front and rear no problem. I had to take my die grinder and reduce the side of the connecting rod to get it out. As you can see it has a 'slight' bend it it. no broken rings pistons all look good with with some wear on the front and back.

I measured under the bottom ring and about 3/4" up from the skirt - 90 degrees from the pin.

Front - 3.292 under the rings
3.294 up from the skirt

Middle - 3.296 top
3.294 bottom

Rear - 3.294 top
3.296 bottom

Looks to me like I need a connecting rod, bearings and rings.
 

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