Heart Healthy Eating

[txdon]

I went to a healthy shrimp website and the only food they could compare it to to sound even a bit heart healthy was eggs. It made me laugh. So if you want to consume it in "MODERATION" you will probably will just get a moderate heart attack. I really need to change the title of this thread to "Heart Healthy Eating for Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease". Every animal product advertiser wants to say how healthy their product is compared to another animal product instead of comparing them to plants when it comes to heart health.

 

[Egon]

I always question the source of the Shrimp.

Scallops fried in olive oil with garlic are my favorite.:thumbsup:

Don't agree with the harvesting method though as it may be hard on the habitat.

 

[txdon]

Egon I think your messing with me but I'll play along.

Olive oil? Scallops?

An ounce of scallops 15mg cholesterol. What is that one-two scallops?

"Olive oil has between 14 and 17 percent saturated, artery clogging fat which is every bit as aggressive in promoting heart disease as the saturated fat in roast beef."


"And even though through a Mediterranean style diet that allows such oils may slow the rate of progression of coronary artery disease, when compared with diets even higher in saturated fats, it does not arrest the disease or reverse it's effects.

...Lyon Diet Heart Study: By the end of the study nearly four years after is start, fully 25 percent of the subjects on the Mediterranean Diet - one out of four- had either died or experienced some new cardiovascular event."

Also Rober Voglel's experiment showed that after eating bread dipped in olive oil reduced the dilation of brachial artery that is normally seen with the brachial artery tourniquet test. "This suggest temporary injury to the endothelia cells compromising their ability to produce nitric oxide" which is the bodies protection against heart disease.

Also I did the Mediterranean Diet which uses the "good oils" (joke) and had a heart attack. I did loose 25 pounds five years ago with it, but if I would have cut out the oils I wouldn't feel like I damage myself in the long run.

Quotes by Cadwell Esselstyn, Jr., MD

 

[beppington]

Ate lunch at our local "Jason's Deli" which has a really great salad bar, & watched a very, very large man ... who I would assume was eating the salad bar for health reasons ... take amongst other things of course 2 whole boiled eggs & top the salad with a full ladle of creamy ranch dressing. He might as well have consumed the whopper & fries he probably really wanted.

 

[dmccarty]

I always question the source of the Shrimp.

Scallops fried in olive oil with garlic are my favorite.:thumbsup:

Don't agree with the harvesting method though as it may be hard on the habitat.

So you won't eat a bottom feeding scavenger but you will eat the critter the filters the water? :laughing:

I like them all! :laughing:

Later,
Dan

 

[txdon]

beepington, you just reminded me of our meal at SouperSalads yesterday. Big man, huge salad piled 6" high overflowing on the plate and then the ladles of ranch started flowing (and there is no low fat ranch there) total 6 ladles you could not even see the salad and the ranch was dripping over onto the tray. At least along with a week of fat he got a days worth of good nutrients with the salad. (Ranch dressing 27g fat per serving.)

Jasons is dangerous with the condiments of that buttery garlic toast and the hummus (half of the calories are from fat). The greens and the variety vegetables are good and it is a buffet salad bar! They do have vegetarian soups but again they cannot resist the adding of artery clogging oil. 60 of the 150 calories are from fat in a bowl.

 

[brin]

beepington, you just reminded me of our meal at SouperSalads yesterday. Big man, huge salad piled 6" high overflowing on the plate and then the ladles of ranch started flowing (and there is no low fat ranch there) total 6 ladles you could not even see the salad and the ranch was dripping over onto the tray. At least along with a week of fat he got a days worth of good nutrients with the salad. (Ranch dressing 27g fat per serving.)

Jasons is dangerous with the condiments of that buttery garlic toast and the hummus (half of the calories are from fat). The greens and the variety vegetables are good and it is a buffet salad bar! They do have vegetarian soups but again they cannot resist the adding of artery clogging oil. 60 of the 150 calories are from fat in a bowl.

Don, almost 20 yrs. ago when I changed my diet just because I wanted to be thin....I gave up all fats, carbs unless they came from veggies, white flour anything, white rice etc. and folks laughed at me...I lost 60 lbs..and have kept it off ...I am 6'1" and weigh 172 #...I ignored the naysayers....you please do the same...:thumbsup:

 

[Egon]

Don; just saying what I like.

Them Lobsters are a little more fussy at the table than many think.

I like Lobster, shrimp, scallops, clams, oysters, crabs and an assortment of fish.

Don't like farmed fish though.

 

[TMR]

Don, almost 20 yrs. ago when I changed my diet just because I wanted to be thin....I gave up all fats, carbs unless they came from veggies, white flour anything, white rice etc. and folks laughed at me...I lost 60 lbs..and have kept it off ...I am 6'1" and weigh 172 #...I ignored the naysayers....you please do the same...:thumbsup:

Great work Brin! I started Nov 2011...down 20# but still have at least 20 more pounds for initial goal of 170...and I am only 5'10". I plan on re-assessing WHEN I get to 170 :thumbsup:

Still working on the full spirit of the no added fat part of the diet. Seem to "rationalize" the low fat dressing and a few other items...but getting there. Whole grains/vegetables/fruits/almond milk...are great. Moderate added fat and candy have been a bit more difficult to get rid of...

We (wife and I) are very determined to keep working toward Esselstyn defined eating/lifestyle. We have come a long way since 10/31/2011 and need to continue to improve.

I was a very fussy vegetable eater and still need to broaden my "approved" choices. Added banana peppers to the approved list at lunch today. Pre- 10/31 I essentially only ate green beans and corn...along with just about every bad food there was...and lots of it.

Thank you for your contribution...you and Don are motivating me to continue to down the plant based...no added fat...lifestyle. TMR

 

[pacerron]

Arrow, it is a constant battle to find the culprits. Before my heart attack I thought I was doing good, even got my cholesterol to normal (but not cardiologist normal as I found out after my heart attack) and the DR. was comfortable taking me off statins. I was no meat but also did not eliminate oils and heavy fat foods (avocados and nuts). Esselstyn explained the no fats aspect and I got it. I hope that was the loose end because that is something I can and have corrected. As TMR, my heart meds have been cut twice and the cardiologist felt safe cutting my cholesterol in half after several LDLs of 40. As you know the cardiologist normal cholesterol numbers are lower than the normal for others. (my goals are LDL less than 70 and total less than 150) My BP is 98/70 and HR-50-60. Just this week my Cardiologist cut my last heart pill (beta blocker) to 1/4 tablet. This was the second cut in half.

My Family DR. recommended taking fish oil to increase my HDL but I told her I was not taking animal products or oils and that Dr. Esselstyn advises to take one tablespoon of Flax seed meal a day. She was OK with that. I get the omega 3 without the excess fat. Oh, when you don't eat meat you need less omega 3. .

Don,
It would be interesting to know your TG/HDL ratio, your CRP after being off statins, and if you take daily aspirin?