JD 5105 won't go into gear when running....

[godaddy]

I have also heard that if u do get it broke loose, if that is what is wrong that, when it breaks loose it has a good chance of breaking clutch material off. There fore messing the clutch disk up. I hope that it does not. Good luck!

 

[DABSGT]

I would go with a clutch disk, a few years back picked up an older far all would start and could not shift, when not running shift into any gear. Spent that winter splitting the tractor and replaced the disk. It was a dry clutch don't know if that makes a difference.

 

[beenthere]

andrew
You are getting good suggestions, and the one thing you DON"T want is for the tractor to start and still have a stuck clutch.

So pull, in gear with clutch depressed, and tapping brakes. If/when the procedure works that the engine is not turning with the clutch depressed, you have been successful at breaking the bond in the clutch.
Then you can stop pulling, and put in neutral and key start the engine. Should be good to go hopefully at that point.

 

[andrewj]

this will have to wait till the weekend guys but I will report back to tell you how it went! I will wear my seatbelt.

 

[andrewj]

OK guys, here's the update! tonight I fired up the tractor put on my seatbelt, and shifted in the general direction of reverse. the tractor started to move, slowly, then the shifter slipped into reverse gear.

Next, I held the clutch in to disengage the clutch pad, but the tractor kept moving. I began to hit the brakes lightly, then harder, harder, then to stab the brakes rapidly and finally I felt it "break" where the pad came loose from the clutch pad! fixed. so then I parked it, pushed the pedal in, and jammed a top link pin in there to hold the clutch pad off the flywheel.

I can't thank you guys enough!!!

 

[jd110]

That's great! Glad you got it fixed. I might recommend you run it some more and maybe start out from a dead stop on a hill a few times to "polish" any rust off of the pressure plate and flywheel.

 

[Wnc3]

Excellent! I imagine the thought of not stopping got you hitting the brakes harder...no soft foot in this case.:thumbsup:

 

[buickanddeere]

OK guys, here's the update! tonight I fired up the tractor put on my seatbelt, and shifted in the general direction of reverse. the tractor started to move, slowly, then the shifter slipped into reverse gear.

Next, I held the clutch in to disengage the clutch pad, but the tractor kept moving. I began to hit the brakes lightly, then harder, harder, then to stab the brakes rapidly and finally I felt it "break" where the pad came loose from the clutch pad! fixed. so then I parked it, pushed the pedal in, and jammed a top link pin in there to hold the clutch pad off the flywheel.

I can't thank you guys enough!!!

You ripped a manual transmission into gear with the clutch still engaged?

 

[tmarch]

You ripped a manual transmission into gear with the clutch still engaged?

I belive he said it slipped into gear. If you don't force a manual transmission it will often go into gear fairly easily at low speeds, heck I've done it many times with no harm to the transmission.

 

[super55]

Ahh this is a good post always learning something on here. :thumbsup: Would you want to ride the clutch a little after breaking it free to help polish the flywheel to help keep the clutch plate from re-binding?

 

[Don87]

Ahh this is a good post always learning something on here. :thumbsup: Would you want to ride the clutch a little after breaking it free to help polish the flywheel to help keep the clutch plate from re-binding?

I would if it were mine.

 

[buickanddeere]

I belive he said it slipped into gear. If you don't force a manual transmission it will often go into gear fairly easily at low speeds, heck I've done it many times with no harm to the transmission.

Tell that to any potential purchaser of your tractor some day and see if the offered price goes up or down?

 

[deere5105]

I too have made"clutchless" shifts in a manual transmission pickup. Seemed there was a sweet spot to it where there was no grinding or binding. Had to do this out of necessity not want to. Never tried it on a tractor though.

 

[beenthere]

You ripped a manual transmission into gear with the clutch still engaged?

Drove a Jeep standard tranny for a couple months without a clutch. Not that hard to pop it into low gear (do it quick and firm) and then work it up in gears by coordinating engine speed with tranny speed.

Started my youngest son driving the 8hp Wheel Horse around the yard on his own by just firmly popping into low gear. Stopped it by turning the key off. He was in 7th heaven.
And that '96 Wheel Horse is still mowing lawn and plowing snow to this day, as I sold it to a guy and can't buy it back.

If I were slipping the clutch to polish (or as we used to do if needing to burn off some oil from a leaky seal), I'd use a higher gear. Less likely to do more harm and more slipping. Shouldn't take much slipping at all to polish, so maybe just normal use and propping the clutch in dis-engaged position between usage would work just fine.

 

[buickanddeere]

I too have made"clutchless" shifts in a manual transmission pickup. Seemed there was a sweet spot to it where there was no grinding or binding. Had to do this out of necessity not want to. Never tried it on a tractor though.

Repair shops staff often find chunks of gear teeth in the bottom on manual transmissions. And/or the leading engagement edge of the gears milled down. One has to wonder how that could occur?

 

[deere5105]

Repair shops staff often find chunks of gear teeth in the bottom on manual transmissions. And/or the leading engagement edge of the gears milled down. One has to wonder how that could occur?

My bet would be on folks grinding gears or forcing gear changes without clutching. I understand what this must sound like, but think you would feel differently if had seen it done. Absolutely no forcing or grinding whatsoever. Slipped right in and out without a hint of noise. I certainly don't promote clutchless shifting, but would do it again if clutch was out and needed to get to help.